Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Sean DALY
As long as no one (including developers) is confused that SoaS release 1( Strawberry) alias SoaS-2 is running Sugar v0.84 and Fedora 11. I'm just wondering why SoaS-2 is in use... non-initiates will assume that means SoaS release 2 (Blueberry), don't you think? thanks Sean On Mon, Sep 14,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:17:42AM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: [non-release-naming issue] Please take this to the mailing list to which it belongs: sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org. Bill Bogstad Martin pgpnUhR2RRAF1.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: As long as no one (including developers) is confused that SoaS release 1( Strawberry) alias SoaS-2 is running Sugar v0.84 and Fedora 11. I'm just wondering why SoaS-2 is in use... non-initiates will assume that means

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, what's your take? Can we retire SoaS-{1,2,3} or fold them into the public v1, v2 numbers? Okay, let me shed some light in here, though I think this has already been discussed in length. In the early days when I started working on SoaS, we still had internal builds

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Sean DALY
Great thanks Gary! Sean On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 12 Sep 2009, at 21:40, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Sean DALY
Bill - I completely agree our numbering systems are byzantine and difficult to grasp... there is the Sugar version number, the Fedora version number, the OLPC-OS version number and the XO build number. Our marketing strategy is to push Sugar on a Stick, so to simplify that we picked the next

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Peter Robinson
However internally we had been using Soas-1 and SoaS-2, if I'm not mistaken to refer to the underlying Fedora distro (10 and 11 respectively). It's true that these numbers (or an SoaS-3 if it exists) will be confusing compared to the public version number. I believe SoaS-1 (strawberry) was

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:18:55PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Bill - I completely agree our numbering systems are byzantine and difficult to grasp... there is the Sugar version number, the Fedora version number, the OLPC-OS version number and the XO build number. The numbering is for

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 08:20:43PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: I've been watching this thread since it began and understand that from a marketing perspective numbers are 'ugly'. Numbers are for the developers, ice cream flavours are for the press / GUI users, as I understand it. On the other

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-12 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitation to do a classroom for Fedora. Congratulations. re logos: Strawberry=6, Blueberry=4, and 5 we'll use some other time Very clear - thanks. [Have

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-12 Thread Gary C Martin
On 12 Sep 2009, at 21:40, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitation to do a classroom for Fedora. Congratulations. re logos: Strawberry=6, Blueberry=4, and 5

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitation to do a classroom for Fedora. Congratulations. re logos: Strawberry=6, Blueberry=4, and 5 we'll use some other time Very clear - thanks. [Have we agreed on Blueberry as

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-11 Thread Bill Bogstad
I've been watching this thread since it began and understand that from a marketing perspective numbers are 'ugly'. On the other hand, everyone seems to acknowledge that numbers make it easier to track things from a development and deployment support perspective. Obviously, that works best if the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Sean DALY
I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering No, there wasn't marketing decided, it was Tomeu who thought of flavors, myself who thought of ice cream flavors (preferably fruit since natural wholesome sugars, a fun treat for kids), and sdziallas who agreed to the idea at the marketing meeting. I do

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard to parse - ultimately someone needs to put an image file in a directory...so I was hoping that you would just say yes or no

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:33, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard to parse - ultimately someone needs to put

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Sean DALY
thanks Martin in fact I often worry about talking too much during the marketing meetings, others not getting a word in. I'd be delighted if nonmarketing Sugar Labs team members lurked or participated, although I have clear ideas about how to work on marketing puzzles I'll never claim to have all

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Sean DALY
Hi Martin The idea is ice cream flavors and Blueberry works since I had rollup banners and posters made in both the Strawberry and Blueberry colors, keeping them current for at least a couple of years (considering their cost). However, as stated previously it hasn't been our plan to name SoaS

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:10:40PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Hi Martin The idea is ice cream flavors Ok. I hadn't picked up on this, despite being in the meeting when it was mentioned[1]. I suspect others may not have, either. and Blueberry works since I had rollup banners and posters made

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:04:33PM -0400, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: Thank you, I love this naming concept with fruit names. I guess Sean's corrected you and I that it's ice-cream flavours :). yet a couple snags I see, No blueberries (arandanos) I ever saw in South/Cental America... (very

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:42:07PM -0400, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: I guess Sean's corrected you and I that it's ice-cream flavours :). If it's ice cream flavors, Vanilla and Chocolate are universal... I guess I was assuming that there needs to be a tie-in between the colour of the flavour and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Sean DALY
In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this on-list... I will try to find the thread. The idea is to maximize launch impact by keeping the element of surprise on our side. This is also why the ice-cream shop doesn't announce their summer specials in advance - people like

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:42:07PM -0400, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: I guess Sean's corrected you and I that it's ice-cream flavours :). If it's ice cream flavors, Vanilla and Chocolate are universal... I guess I was

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:57:00PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this on-list... I will try to find the thread. Please let me know. I did google for 'sugar ice cream soas' before I said I couldn't find anything besides the IRC meeting I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Sean DALY
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-June/001546.html found it, was during a (sometimes heated) discussion concerning Sugar vs. Sugar on a Stick, SoaS referring only to the Fedora distro or not, and some other topics :-) basically, a reread of the marketing meetings in June (and the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 11:56:25PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:57:00PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this on-list... I will try