Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-13 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 18:21, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> These days I'm amazed at the amount of stuff I'm capable to do when I >> don't have to switch between building packages, waiting for builds to >> happen (or fail), testing images,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > These days I'm amazed at the amount of stuff I'm capable to do when I > don't have to switch between building packages, waiting for builds to > happen (or fail), testing images, attending meetings, keeping trac > bureaucracy, etc Hehehe I wa

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-13 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 18:10, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >>> A gsoc program that does not >>> support activity development or activity toolchains would be >>> dramatically different. >> >> It would be quite different. Is this bad? OLPC, SL, an

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >> A gsoc program that does not >> support activity development or activity toolchains would be >> dramatically different. > > It would be quite different. Is this bad? OLPC, SL, and the software > projects they work on were also in a dramatically

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > I am puzzled, though; are these two things mutually exclusive? In any > case, students will be proposing their own projects, as is usual with > GSoC; what we're talking about is kickstarting their proposal thinking > by listing known projects of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-12 Thread Mel Chua
> What scope of software projects is SL interested in mentoring this year? See http://sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code, which (afaik) reflects the current state of plans. > I am concerned that this program may make the typical first-year > mistake of treating SoC like an opportunity to get free c

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-12 Thread Samuel Klein
What scope of software projects is SL interested in mentoring this year? I am concerned that this program may make the typical first-year mistake of treating SoC like an opportunity to get free coding for known projects, rather than an opportunity to mentor rewarding internships for motivated and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On reflection, I think it might be a good thing to make a single really excellent mentoring framework for people through sugarlabs, and not to have two gsoc programs at all. OLPC will have a good bit of mentoring to do to look after travelling interns, which is likely to be a larger program than i

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-10 Thread Simon Schampijer
Mel Chua wrote: > That depends on what OLPC's GSoC focus is - it may *not* be Sugar at > all, in which case the organizational intern allocations should be (and > they should be, anyway!) independent of each other. > > Marcin, do you recall where you heard/saw that rule? Googling for things > l

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-09 Thread Marcin Wojdyr
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 17:31, Mel Chua wrote: > Marcin, do you recall where you heard/saw that rule? Googling for things > like "gsoc limit of 2 students" isn't getting me anywhere - I want to have a > few moments to read through all the docs and historical paperwork before > emailing Leslie (like

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-09 Thread Wade Brainerd
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Jameson Quinn wrote: > Actually she said that not all the same orgs will be returning. Not the same > as saying a smaller number of orgs total. I read it as meaning that there > are ways to fail out, not that they are being any pickier than last year. Did you read

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-09 Thread Jameson Quinn
Actually she said that not all the same orgs will be returning. Not the same as saying a smaller number of orgs total. I read it as meaning that there are ways to fail out, not that they are being any pickier than last year. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > I would ask aro

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-09 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > That depends on what OLPC's GSoC focus is - it may *not* be Sugar at > all, in which case the organizational intern allocations should be (and > they should be, anyway!) independent of each other. > > Marcin, do you recall where you heard/saw that

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-09 Thread Wade Brainerd
I would ask around in #gsoc on FreeNode to see if anyone has heard of similar hard limits. According to LH's post to the soc mailing list 2 days ago, GSoC will support a smaller number of organizations this year, so OLPC and SL may be lucky to be accepted. Cheers, Wade On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-09 Thread Mel Chua
That depends on what OLPC's GSoC focus is - it may *not* be Sugar at all, in which case the organizational intern allocations should be (and they should be, anyway!) independent of each other. Marcin, do you recall where you heard/saw that rule? Googling for things like "gsoc limit of 2 student

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-09 Thread Jameson Quinn
> > OTOH the last year there was a rule that new organizations can get not > more than two students in GSOC. > > Marcin This is something on which we should get clarification ASAP. To me, it would be logical for OLPC to have around 2 slots and Sugarlabs to get OLPC's (presumably larger) allocatio

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-09 Thread Marcin Wojdyr
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 09:17, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 23:26, Ed McNierney wrote: >> Yes, but in 2007 "they" were "us", no? > > No, the point I'm trying to make is that the two organizations are > very different in a dimension that is specially important for the > issue at han

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 23:26, Ed McNierney wrote: > Yes, but in 2007 "they" were "us", no? No, the point I'm trying to make is that the two organizations are very different in a dimension that is specially important for the issue at hand. OLPC is an organization that has a reputation of being ha

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-08 Thread Samuel Klein
I'm copying our own gsoc list, and glad to clarify how this should work. I mentioned to Leslie yesterday that I expected SugarLabs and OLPC might have separate GSOC projects this year. Someone representing SL should write and formally get on their list of supported organizations. [note: this re

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-08 Thread Nirav Patel
Students working on Sugar related projects don't have to be restricted to Sugar Labs. Two GSoC 2008 students worked on OLPC projects through other mentoring organizations; one through Python and the other I can't recall. If there aren't enough OLPC specific projects, it would still make sense for

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-08 Thread Ed McNierney
Yes, but in 2007 "they" were "us", no? Thanks, this is helpful information (I didn't know the status of OLPC's previous GSoC work). I don't see why there is any reason to presume that OLPC would NOT be interested in 2009 GSoC, but I don't know of any active ideas/proposals kicking around he

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-08 Thread Wade Brainerd
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > We should take into account that organizations are assigned slots > based on their well behaviour in past editions. To be clear, OLPC was put on GSoC 'probation' last year due to their poor performance reporting on students' work in 2007. The

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-08 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 21:39, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I don't know anything about GSoC, but to minimize confusion, it seems like > it might be helpful to inform Google that all OLPC GSoC participation will > occur via Sugar Labs (if indeed

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-08 Thread Mel Chua
It is not necessarily the case, and in fact I'd be surprised if it were - SJ's been doing GSoC for OLPC for the past few years afaik, and I don't see any reason for that not to continue this year, but this is 100% speculation. Ccing SJ so he can confirm one way or the other if he has a breather

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-08 Thread Wade Brainerd
I was pretty involved last year, I'd be happy to help out again from a SL perspective. Particularly the Collaboration aspect. -Wade On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Excellent. Sometime next week I'll start stepping up the "Sugar Labs does > Summer of Code" stuff once more, and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-08 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't know anything about GSoC, but to minimize confusion, it seems like it might be helpful to inform Google that all OLPC GSoC participation will occur via Sugar Labs (if indeed this is the case). That way the GSoC people will not be surprised whe

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-08 Thread Mel Chua
Excellent. Sometime next week I'll start stepping up the "Sugar Labs does Summer of Code" stuff once more, and get in touch with Leslie - thanks for the ping! Here's our current gameplan: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code (It started as a Marketing Team project, but is now under Development,

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go!

2009-01-07 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
FYI Rafael Ortiz -- Forwarded message -- From: LH Date: Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:17 AM Subject: Google Summer of Code 2009 is a go! To: Google Summer of Code Discuss < google-summer-of-code-disc...@googlegroups.com> Hello everyone, While we will be making a formal announcement