Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-03-02 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 02:13:01PM +1100, James Cameron wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:40:01AM +1100, James Cameron wrote: Daniel Drake's change to WebKit that fixed this before has since been lost in the current WebKit sources in git. Patch is in the history, but some later patch

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-03-01 Thread James Cameron
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:40:01AM +1100, James Cameron wrote: Daniel Drake's change to WebKit that fixed this before has since been lost in the current WebKit sources in git. Patch is in the history, but some later patch removed the change. Reinstating this change didn't solve the problem,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Jerry Vonau m...@jvonau.ca wrote: I know this is not a sugar issue directly, more of an OLPC issue but since Fedora F12 the entire i686 platform's userland is being compiled with -mtune=atom[1] which would use sse[2]. -mtune is designed not to break any

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Thanks Samuel for start this public discussion. I share some of your concerns, and agree with your points. I think we agree web activities is the way to move forward. We started to work on that for Sugar 0.100, and that will provide us the possibility of run activities in any browser, in android,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread Jerry Vonau
On February 27, 2015 at 6:23 AM Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Jerry Vonau m...@jvonau.ca wrote: I know this is not a sugar issue directly, more of an OLPC issue but since Fedora F12 the entire i686 platform's userland is being compiled with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-27 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 03:31:50PM +1100, James Cameron wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:20:02PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: On February 25, 2015 at 3:09 PM James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:20:19PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: I know this is not a sugar issue

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-26 Thread Martin Abente
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:54 AM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, +1 I think there are some ways to improve hardware independence. Integrating sugar with a display manager would make it work in many (traditional?) IT situations where you have computers with networked student

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-26 Thread Walter Bender
+1 PS: 50% of the ideas came from you and Ignacio :) On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, +1 I think there are some ways to improve hardware independence. Integrating sugar with a display manager would make it work in many (traditional?) IT

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-25 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
I am not necessarily discounting XOs; but several community members have said in the past they were not upgrading to the latest Sugar/OLPC OS versions. This is because newer versions tend to need more resources and run slowly on older XO models. XOs may always be part of the community; but they

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-25 Thread Jerry Vonau
On February 24, 2015 at 8:55 AM Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think Sugar Labs has lacked a long-term vision. It has been since Day One to provide great tools for learning to children while being hardware agnostic. That said, our tactics have been slowly evolving

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-25 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:20:19PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: I know this is not a sugar issue directly, more of an OLPC issue but since Fedora F12 the entire i686 platform's userland is being compiled with -mtune=atom which would use sse. This causes problems for some parts of sugar now that

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-25 Thread Jerry Vonau
On February 25, 2015 at 3:09 PM James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:20:19PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: I know this is not a sugar issue directly, more of an OLPC issue but since Fedora F12 the entire i686 platform's userland is being compiled with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-25 Thread Sam P.
Hi, +1 I think there are some ways to improve hardware independence. Integrating sugar with a display manager would make it work in many (traditional?) IT situations where you have computers with networked student accounts. Over the ensuing years, we have also made efforts to reach out in

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-25 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:20:02PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: On February 25, 2015 at 3:09 PM James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:20:19PM -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: I know this is not a sugar issue directly, more of an OLPC issue but since Fedora F12 the entire

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-24 Thread Lionel Laské
Hi Samuel, Thanks to share your vision. I think you're right, SugarLabs lack of a clear long-term vision that we could share with all contributors. Hope that your mail we'll give us opportunity to share our thought on that. Here's mine. If Sugar want live, it can't be limited to a niche

Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)

2015-02-24 Thread Walter Bender
I don't think Sugar Labs has lacked a long-term vision. It has been since Day One to provide great tools for learning to children while being hardware agnostic. That said, our tactics have been slowly evolving as the market itself evolves. We launched Sugar Labs in early 2008 when it was clear to