Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Ok, did not think about yum update. Did not know GNOME was a requirement, wonder if this is a benefit to have though. I mean it is Sugar on a stick in the end. If it helps to make mac users get to know gnome or sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Simon Schampijer
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Ok, did not think about yum update. Did not know GNOME was a requirement, wonder if this is a benefit to have though. I mean it is Sugar on a stick in the end. If it helps to make mac

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread David Van Assche
You can easily make gdm the session manager from which to choose sugar or gnome, and thereby give them access to gimp, inkscape and whatever other apps... On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:40 PM,

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Simon Schampijer
David Van Assche wrote: You can easily make gdm the session manager from which to choose sugar or gnome, and thereby give them access to gimp, inkscape and whatever other apps... Sure - I understnad the technical part. I wondered more about what people expect when thy download the Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:53 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: You can easily make gdm the session manager from which to choose sugar or gnome, and thereby give them access to gimp, inkscape and whatever other apps... gdm was eating quite a bit of memory last time I tried. Also

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
David Van Assche wrote: What's wrong with offering kde, sugar, or gnome from the login manager (whatever that might be... that could be made as simple or complicated as one wanted.) Kde has an amazingly powerful group of edu apps, as does gnome, as does Sugar... all for different age groups...

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Yes yum install would work So Simon, if you want to get rid of GNOME and add the yum bits to the instructions about switching to GNOME on the Soas page, please go ahead :) Marco

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread David Van Assche
Yeah we are doing the same with edubuntu... which should include sugar in Jaunty+1, when it is a little more mature (activity wise.) Kde-edu has made massive advances in their edu tools and the kde team seems very committed to getting the whole distro known as the 'edu' distro. Part of the reason

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
David Van Assche wrote: Yeah we are doing the same with edubuntu... which should include sugar in Jaunty+1, when it is a little more mature (activity wise.) Kde-edu has made massive advances in their edu tools and the kde team seems very committed to getting the whole distro known as the 'edu'

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Sebastian Dziallas wrote: David Van Assche wrote: Yeah we are doing the same with edubuntu... which should include sugar in Jaunty+1, when it is a little more mature (activity wise.) Kde-edu has made massive advances in their edu tools and the kde team seems very committed to getting the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas name

2009-01-31 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: To the contrary, the words Sugar on a Stick actually mean something. Actually they mean two things: Sugar environment on a USB stick in the context of software, and a kind of candy in the context of food. +1 I've

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Caroline Meeks
Yes yum install would work Sent from my iPhone Caroline Meeks 617-395-7966 On Jan 31, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti marc...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Ok, did not think about yum update. Did not know

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Caroline Meeks
Low floor no ceiling A 4 year old should not face a dialog box asking gnome or sugar. A 12 year old with experience should be able to break out of sugar to the full power of Linux. It's ok with me if the 12 year old has to toto a page in a wiki to do it. Doesn't have to be super easy

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-30 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg g...@redhat.com wrote: So. If someone can point me to the *authoritative iso image* that we want to use for SoaS, I will make sure that we have install stations at the Fedora booth at FOSDEM. The latest known to work is:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas snapshot

2009-01-28 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/1/27 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com: Any tips as to what to do with these 2 on an XO? The only thing I've done with .img and .crc before is copy-nand from firmware – is it possible to run them from a usb stick without wiping nand or effecting the existing nand install (so we can

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas snapshot

2009-01-28 Thread Simon Schampijer
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: You can download the iso here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas-200901271941.iso I have an issue to boot the stick on my desktop machine (ASUS A7V8X-X). It works fine on my T61 though. SYSLINUX 3.51 2007-06-10 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2007 H.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas name

2009-01-28 Thread Luke Faraone
Or rock candy :) -lf On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Mitch Bradley w...@firmworks.com wrote: The name Soas lacks pizazz. How about lollipop? After all, a lollipop is just .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas name

2009-01-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Agree with Mitch about Soas, but I like more Luke's suggestion. Regards, Tomeu On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 18:38, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: Or rock candy :) -lf On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Mitch Bradley w...@firmworks.com wrote: The name Soas lacks pizazz. How about

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas name

2009-01-28 Thread Wade Brainerd
To the contrary, the words Sugar on a Stick actually mean something. Actually they mean two things: Sugar environment on a USB stick in the context of software, and a kind of candy in the context of food. Lollipop or Rock Candy means nothing in the context of software unless you *know* you are

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas name

2009-01-28 Thread Wade Brainerd
To state my position more generally, I believe we cannot use metaphorical references to associate our brands with each other. It defeats the whole purpose of a unified brand. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: To the contrary, the words Sugar on a Stick

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas name

2009-01-28 Thread Luke Faraone
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Mitch Bradley w...@firmworks.com wrote: Rock candy is sugar on a string. O RLY? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Rock_Candy.jpg :) -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas name

2009-01-28 Thread David Farning
So is cotton candy:) On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mitch Bradley w...@firmworks.com wrote: Rock candy is sugar on a string. Lollipops are sugar on a stick. Clearly you guys didn't spend enough of your youth trying to rot your teeth away. ___

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas name

2009-01-28 Thread Luke Faraone
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Mitch Bradley w...@firmworks.com wrote: Rock candy is sugar on a string. Hm... maybe we'll call our LTSP setup that? :P -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas name

2009-01-28 Thread Samuel Klein
Well, if you mainly want to appeal to / capture memeshare from people with a serious academic/linguistic/coding bent, you can be as obscure as you want. Make each name an anagram of a metaphor of something sugary, followed by the one's digit of the year in which the project was founded. Or what

[Sugar-devel] Soas snapshot

2009-01-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
You can download the iso here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas-200901271941.iso Instructions on how to install it are here: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick I also made an experimental image for the XO. It's not signed, so you will need security disabled, if you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas snapshot

2009-01-27 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Marco, On 27 Jan 2009, at 23:00, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: You can download the iso here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas-200901271941.iso Instructions on how to install it are here: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick I also made an experimental image for

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti marc...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: D'oh, I think OLPC asked Warren to push that X driver update, and it sounds like we didn't test it properly. Is there a good way to select

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti marc...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: D'oh, I think OLPC asked Warren to push that X driver update, and it sounds like we didn't test it properly. Is there a good way to select

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-24 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti marc...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: D'oh, I think OLPC asked Warren to push that X driver update, and it sounds like we didn't test it properly. Is

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-24 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 04:51:04AM +0100, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: 2 X fades a couple of times and then hangs the system. Describe this further? -- James Cameronmailto:qu...@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-24 Thread Jerry Vonau
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 18:01 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: Hi Marco, Some extra steps: * Clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/spin-kickstarts * If you want F10 apply spin.patch * Apply live.patch in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/imgcreate * sudo yum -y install livecd-tools

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-24 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: FWIW, I have noticed mmap errors while trying to deal with large files (~70MB) on the standard OLPC builds. localedef does not work in the XO for this (strace shows that it chokes when trying to mmap /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive) I don't think it's related to the

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-24 Thread Bernie Innocenti
C. Scott Ananian wrote: It's probably worth reading through the pilgrim 'streams.d/olpc-development.stream' file to see if there are other fixes you are missing. Indeed. Starting with a white-room F10 build is going to cause many such regressions, and re-discovering all the associated

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: I'm still not able to get the images I create to boot on the XO -- could you confirm that you're using the Fedora kernel and initrd? Yup, sure. The only difference is that the initrd contains more modules, because of the

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Yay, stock F10 is now running GNOME fine. Some more things I found: * I was not using -a when copying the files, so owners and all kind of other stuff was not preserved. That's the cause of the hal failure, new script attached. * With selinux enabled you cannot login from the console. Perhaps

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-23 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti marc...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Yay, stock F10 is now running GNOME fine. Some more things I found: * I was not using -a when copying the files, so owners and all kind of other stuff was not preserved. That's the cause of the hal failure,

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti marc...@sugarlabs.org wrote: * rpm does not work. It complains about mmap failure when reading the db, jffs2 related? As far as I know, jffs2 doesn't support writable mmaps. In the debian ports, we add some special magic to tell apt not to

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Marco, Got it working now. livecd-creator should be run on x86_64 as: sudo setarch i386 livecd-creator ... * X doesn't actually crash the system, it's just very broken :) If you switch to vt and back you can also see some parts of the gdm screen. It looks definitely like a

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:42 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti marc...@sugarlabs.org wrote: * rpm does not work. It complains about mmap failure when reading the db, jffs2 related? As far as I know, jffs2 doesn't support

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: D'oh, I think OLPC asked Warren to push that X driver update, and it sounds like we didn't test it properly. Is there a good way to select which version of an RPM to use in kickstart, maybe? Which package are you referring to

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-22 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Marco, Some extra steps: * Clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/spin-kickstarts * If you want F10 apply spin.patch * Apply live.patch in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/imgcreate * sudo yum -y install livecd-tools mtd-utils crcimg * If you're building on F10, s/ext4/ext3/ in

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-21 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Marco, Hello, I spent some time trying to get Sugar on a stick images (which are basically livecd-tools based Fedora spins) running on the XO from nand. Converting the image to jffs2 and adding cafe_nand and jffs2 to the initrd was enough to make it boot. You're awesome!

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-21 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
1 haldaemon fails to start and I couldn't find any error log. Maybe running it directly, rather than via init, will expose the problem? When running it directly it was sitting for a while and then exiting without any error (even in verbose mode). I should strace it. It looks like you're

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-21 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Marco, Same results as yesterday with F10 while F11 fails to /init (both images built from an F10). I gave this a try, and I get a hang after Loading ramdisk image.. in OFW when booting a Rawhide image built on a Rawhide/x86-64 host. Will try with a serial port connected tomorrow.

[Sugar-devel] SoaS on the XO progress

2009-01-20 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, I spent some time trying to get Sugar on a stick images (which are basically livecd-tools based Fedora spins) running on the XO from nand. Converting the image to jffs2 and adding cafe_nand and jffs2 to the initrd was enough to make it boot. I have two weird problems: 1 haldaemon fails

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