Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-02-03 Thread Simon Schampijer
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Why do you think size is very important for Soas (real question)? If we want wide testing and people need to download 800MB each time, many people (me included) will have a hard time getting

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-02-03 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: I tried it by hand yesterday and added our sugar repo to the yum config does work fine. The question is how we create that file now. We could do it in the kickstart file - but maybe there are other options? You could

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Simon Schampijer
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg g...@redhat.com wrote: So. If someone can point me to the *authoritative iso image* that we want to use for SoaS, I will make sure that we have install stations at the Fedora booth at FOSDEM. The latest known

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Latest image and improvements (git head with some fixes) are listed in this post http://erikos.sweettimez.de/?p=332 It is even a bit smaller :) Now, we really need to make this as small as possible. I wonder how we

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:49, Marco Pesenti Gritti marc...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Latest image and improvements (git head with some fixes) are listed in this post http://erikos.sweettimez.de/?p=332 It is even a bit

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread David Van Assche
Can't we split it into 2 parts, the regular startup and desktop bits (as created in teh oses) and then the downloadable bit which hooks in and does the sugar stuff Then people could use their distro to create the usb pen drive, and download the (200mb or 300mb) bit for sugar and its

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, Well, it's mainly as small as it is due to removals regarding locals and drivers, but if you don't mind, I could also quickly draft up a kickstart file including GNOME and Sugar, wihch is not limited to the XO. Even if Marco wouldn't like this, it was on my list of things we

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Why do you think size is very important for Soas (real question)? If we want wide testing and people need to download 800MB each time, many people (me included) will have a hard time getting those bits. But you don't

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Well, it's mainly as small as it is due to removals regarding locals and drivers, but if you don't mind, I could also quickly draft up a kickstart file including GNOME and Sugar, wihch is not limited to the XO. I'd

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
David Van Assche wrote: Can't we split it into 2 parts, the regular startup and desktop bits (as created in teh oses) and then the downloadable bit which hooks in and does the sugar stuff Then people could use their distro to create the usb pen drive, and download the (200mb or 300mb) bit

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Ok, did not think about yum update. Did not know GNOME was a requirement, wonder if this is a benefit to have though. I mean it is Sugar on a stick in the end. If it helps to make mac users get to know gnome or sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Simon Schampijer
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Ok, did not think about yum update. Did not know GNOME was a requirement, wonder if this is a benefit to have though. I mean it is Sugar on a stick in the end. If it helps to make mac

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread David Van Assche
You can easily make gdm the session manager from which to choose sugar or gnome, and thereby give them access to gimp, inkscape and whatever other apps... On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:40 PM,

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Simon Schampijer
David Van Assche wrote: You can easily make gdm the session manager from which to choose sugar or gnome, and thereby give them access to gimp, inkscape and whatever other apps... Sure - I understnad the technical part. I wondered more about what people expect when thy download the Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:53 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: You can easily make gdm the session manager from which to choose sugar or gnome, and thereby give them access to gimp, inkscape and whatever other apps... gdm was eating quite a bit of memory last time I tried. Also

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
David Van Assche wrote: What's wrong with offering kde, sugar, or gnome from the login manager (whatever that might be... that could be made as simple or complicated as one wanted.) Kde has an amazingly powerful group of edu apps, as does gnome, as does Sugar... all for different age groups...

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Yes yum install would work So Simon, if you want to get rid of GNOME and add the yum bits to the instructions about switching to GNOME on the Soas page, please go ahead :) Marco

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread David Van Assche
Yeah we are doing the same with edubuntu... which should include sugar in Jaunty+1, when it is a little more mature (activity wise.) Kde-edu has made massive advances in their edu tools and the kde team seems very committed to getting the whole distro known as the 'edu' distro. Part of the reason

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
David Van Assche wrote: Yeah we are doing the same with edubuntu... which should include sugar in Jaunty+1, when it is a little more mature (activity wise.) Kde-edu has made massive advances in their edu tools and the kde team seems very committed to getting the whole distro known as the 'edu'

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Sebastian Dziallas wrote: David Van Assche wrote: Yeah we are doing the same with edubuntu... which should include sugar in Jaunty+1, when it is a little more mature (activity wise.) Kde-edu has made massive advances in their edu tools and the kde team seems very committed to getting the

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Caroline Meeks
Yes yum install would work Sent from my iPhone Caroline Meeks 617-395-7966 On Jan 31, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti marc...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Ok, did not think about yum update. Did not know

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-31 Thread Caroline Meeks
Low floor no ceiling A 4 year old should not face a dialog box asking gnome or sugar. A 12 year old with experience should be able to break out of sugar to the full power of Linux. It's ok with me if the 12 year old has to toto a page in a wiki to do it. Doesn't have to be super easy

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS at FOSDEM

2009-01-30 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg g...@redhat.com wrote: So. If someone can point me to the *authoritative iso image* that we want to use for SoaS, I will make sure that we have install stations at the Fedora booth at FOSDEM. The latest known to work is: