RE: Equinoctial vs. Equatorial

2012-02-15 Thread JOHN DAVIS
Dear Jim, Sara et al,   I agree with Sara that the terms 'equatorial dial' and 'equinoctial dial' are synonymous. I believe that the reason we have two terms is purely historical. English diallists writing in the 16th 17th centuries were looking back at armillary spheres which represented the

Re: Georg of Peuerbach

2012-02-15 Thread JOHN DAVIS
Dear Roger et al,   I don't think the later middle ages were quite as dark in Europe as you suggest. Science did make some progress (eg the 'Merton calculators') despite the disruptions of the various plagues.   For example, the monk Robert Stikford, working at St Alban's Abbey (not far from

AW: Georg of Peuerbach

2012-02-15 Thread Reinhold Kriegler
Re the two dials on Braunschweig Cathedral: the dating of these is extremely problemmatical and I don't believe Zinner's dates - even he changed his mind! You are probably right! Zinner has lots of merits with his tremendous research-work during the pre-computer era, but you are not the only one

Re: Equinoctial vs. Equatorial

2012-02-15 Thread R Wall ML emails
Hi all, Does anyone know what material was used and how thick it is for the vertical section of the following “ The Tree of Sonius” sundial. I Rather like the style of this sundial. http://www.regiomontanus.at/bild40_e.htm Roderick Wall. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG -

Re: The tree of Sonius

2012-02-15 Thread Willy Leenders
Roderick, The material used is steel. Measured on a sketch of the designers, Jan Kragten en Fer de Vries, the steel plates have a thickness of 1 cm The distance between the plates is 3 cm The slits on the north side are covered with frosted glass on the inside The sundial is made by a factory

Re: Equinoctial vs. Equatorial

2012-02-15 Thread Fabio nonvedolora
I’m agree to the equivalence of equinoctial and equatorial. Their origin is different, I think the first refers to the condition when the temporary hours are equal and the same of modern hours, the second to the orientation of a dial to get equal angles among hour lines, anyway I’m agree they

Re: R: Georg of Peuerbach

2012-02-15 Thread schaldachk
Dear Nicola et al. Johannes Hommilius oder Johannes Hommel (See f. i. in the German Wikipedia) was not an unknown German scholar. For me it is also problematic to say that there was a break between the Graeco-Roman and the medieval gnomonics. Maybe the river of transmission became a brook, but

R: Re: R: Georg of Peuerbach

2012-02-15 Thread nicolasever...@libero.it
Dear Karlheinz, Certainly Hommilii or Hommel in his time was not an unknown scholar. In my post I meant to say that his name is quite unknown today in the history of sundials, unless someone proves to me that the name of Hommilii is often cited in several books in the modern books. That the

medieval astronomy (was: Georg of Peuerbach)

2012-02-15 Thread Schechner, Sara
Dear Roger, I have not been following this thread on Peuerbach closely, but feel it necessary to challenge two statements: 1) the description of Medieval astronomy and science as impoverished and dark. While this was a popular view until the mid-twentieth century, this is a fallacy and

Re: medieval astronomy (was: Georg of Peuerbach)

2012-02-15 Thread Frank King
Dear Roger, Sara's message merits serious study! We here in Europe weren't totally asleep in medieval times or even in the so-called dark ages following the Fall of Rome. [A fair proportion of Europe seems to be falling asleep just now but that's not the period you are referring to :-) ] There

Re: medieval astronomy (was: Georg of Peuerbach)

2012-02-15 Thread Kevin Karney
Sara wrote By the third century BC there were so many of them that people complain about having to run their lives by these blasted timepieces. I guess this is her source Titus Maccius Plautus 254 - 184 BC - a influential Roman playwright of comedies - is quoted, in 'Attic Nights' by

Re: Re: R: Georg of Peuerbach

2012-02-15 Thread Len Berggren
The 'river' of knowledge from the ancient world to medieval Europe flowed, in large part, through the Islamic world, which had appropriated much of the ancient learning. However, not all ancient learning arrived in the West in this way. For example, the important Archimedean treatises* On the

Re: A compact indoor sundial using a convex mirror on the north sideof the roof

2012-02-15 Thread Tom Egan
Good question. I found that a "hemispherical" (I put it in quotes because the mirror I use actually has an essentially ellipsoidal cross-section about the axis of rotation) mirror was needed to observe the entire day's travel of the sun in midsummer. There's an