Re: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-05 Thread Daniel Fitzpatrick
Trying this again since my first response wasn't archived. I'm not familiar with mailing lists. --- I'll echo what Tanuj said to some degree. If you want to sniff systemd's level of adoption, I view these three things as critical, in decreasing order of importance. 1. An advertising page. 2.

Re: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Jan Bramkamp
On 04.08.22 11:09, Tanuj Bagaria wrote: What do we as a community need to do to get S6 into a "corporate friendly" state? What can I do to help? Here are some ideas: - easier access to the VCS (git, pijul, etc) I would not (yet) consider pijul common and stable enough to count toward

Re: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Laurent Bercot
What do we as a community need to do to get S6 into a "corporate friendly" state? What can I do to help? "Corporate-friendly" is not really the problem here. The problem is more "distro-friendly". Distributions like integrated systems. Integrated systems make their lives easier, because

Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Laurent Bercot
I find it symptomatic of the fact that a guy wrote some Rube Goldberg code and a corporation decided it would be a great idea to spend millions getting the Rube Goldberg code into many major distros. As far as us running our of road with the Unix API, systemd solves no problem and offers no

Re: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Tanuj Bagaria
What do we as a community need to do to get S6 into a "corporate friendly" state? What can I do to help? Here are some ideas: - easier access to the VCS (git, pijul, etc) - Issue tracking system - CI/CD build chain (being careful not to make it too painful to use) - "idiot proof" website -

Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 15:36 -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > I came to the conclusion a while back that systemd was symptomatic of the > fact that we had gone as far as the fundamental assumptions of the Unix API > could take us.  I find it symptomatic of the fact that a guy wrote some Rube Goldberg

Re: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 17:19 +, J.R. Hill wrote: > There are a few things that need to be in place for a smooth transition. > > For general trust in the project... > > 1. the init system itself should be maintained by more than a single human. This hasn't been the case with runit. It's so

Re: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-03 Thread J.R. Hill
There are a few things that need to be in place for a smooth transition. For general trust in the project... 1. the init system itself should be maintained by more than a single human. 2. the maintainers should be willing to respond to a large audience. (If a project is used widely across

Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-01 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, As I said in a previous message, I see sentiment very slowly turning against systemd. If systemd keeps losing popularity, I have no doubt the corporate carpetbaggers will try to force an even worse atrocity on us, so we need to be ready this time and not have the argument centered on a