Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-11-26, John Lundsten wrote: Now for sure I'm not saying .wav is the only format for all time. Of course not. RIFF, CAF, and whatever, follow the same EAV/TLV formula that Commodore Amiga's IFF did: entity-attribute-value/type-length-value. The four byte/32-bit total schema for each

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-11-25, Richard wrote: I totally agree, any mention of MP3/WMA or any of the very lossy formats in the same breath as surround cannot be taken seriously. That is very much true where it goes to ambisonic and the existing formats. But as for the formats and say 5.1, not so much. That ac

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-11-25, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: but still I' m not quite sure about the most important issue: which is the most 'common' file-format for such things ? In order the two most common ones are (I think): 1) Microsoft's AVI container (RIFF), with video as pure MPEG-2 and audio as 2

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-11-25, John Lundsten wrote: And yes for sure the RIFF Wav (with Wav extensible) has the cool chan mapping features CAF has, and very much as on a Mac, hardly anyone has bothered to implement it. Don't even go there. Really. E.g. Martin Leese spent real effort getting the OggPCM draft

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-11-25, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: I was asked a 4-channel work for an online-release - I' m now trying to figure out what the best way to "release" it would be.. For me personally, the first question would be "which four channels"? "What are their semantics, precisely?" Like, how

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Marc Lavallée
I suggest to take a look at the Web Audio API from the W3C : https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/audio/raw-file/tip/webaudio/specification.html -- Marc Le Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:26:33 +0200 Marinos Koutsomichalis a écrit: > > about the 4 channels: they are 4 channels of audio to be played back > by a quad se

Re: [Sursound] Image-source model with consideration of air absorption

2011-11-25 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-11-23, Fons Adriaensen wrote: I don't think you need to reformulate the theory. Air absorbtion can be taken into account numerically just in the same way as the frequency response of the reflecting surfaces. Seconded. The absorption term also seems to be pretty simple in the analog/c

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread John Lundsten
'This is stretching the actual facts a bit too much to be left unchallenged.' Ok. staying with the 'provocative' though true idea. I see your 'challenge', but see nothing in your post to contradict my suggestions. (or assertions if you like). Now if Mac OS is a belief system for you, IE knowin

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Marinos Koutsomichalis
about the 4 channels: they are 4 channels of audio to be played back by a quad set-up.. In fact they are decoded from a b-format recording, but what I want to release is a quad version of the piece. as I mentioned I cannot consider wav/aiff and other lossless options because of their size.

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release/side topic

2011-11-25 Thread Marinos Koutsomichalis
On 25 Nov 2011, at 23:15, Bearcat M. Şandor wrote: > If i'm messing around (i'm not a serious audio > professional) in Ardour isn't it a wave file first, afaic no. normally you select the kind of file you want your audio saved to. I use aiffs most of the times. And you can convert to lots of ot

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 03:51:03AM -, John Lundsten wrote: > Well as approx 98% of computers are PC's, whatever the merits > of CAF (beyond ticking the 'box' this is different to what is > available on a PC) it would be totally unsuitable to the OP. > > And yes for sure the RIFF Wav (with Wa

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release/side topic

2011-11-25 Thread Bearcat M. Şandor
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Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Dave Kaleita
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Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Aaron Heller
Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: > but still I' m not quite sure about the most important issue: > which is the most 'common' file-format for such things ? In terms of installed base of players, AC3 and DTS are the most common formats for delivery of surround audio. VLC player can decode either one

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release/side topic

2011-11-25 Thread Dave Hunt
Hi, Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:51:03 - From: "John Lundsten" IMO if one wants to store so called linear PCM, use WAV. All other formats offer less & only exist for (a) backward compatibility for which I have no problem or (b) to screw the customer, which I find obnoxious. AIFF, AIFC

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Martin Leese
Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: > quite a few ideas thus far.. > > but still I' m not quite sure about the most important issue: > which is the most 'common' file-format for such things ? Four channel works are not common. Therefore, there are no common file formats for on-line delivery. Regards,

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Martin Leese
"Michael Chapman" > At 05:52 25/11/2011, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: >> Hello list, >> >> I was asked a 4-channel work for an online-release - I' m now trying to >> figure out what the best way to "release" it would be.. ... >> are there any other ideas/observations/advices ?? ... > It would h

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Richard
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Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread David Pickett
At 05:52 25/11/2011, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: >I did some web-research and I think that the most common formats for >that surround sound is mp3/flac and AAC I dont know why FLAC and MP3 are mentioned in the same sentence. While FLAC is reckoned to be non-lossy (and certainly seems to be

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Marinos Koutsomichalis
12:33 am, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: > >> I was asked a 4-channel work for an online-release - I' m now trying to >> figure out what the best way to "release" it would be.. > > -- next part --

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-25 Thread Joseph Anderson
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