Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range

2015-04-24 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2015-04-23, Stefan Schreiber wrote: How can this be if there are no fundamentals in this range? (See my list of piano keys/frequencies. Some instruments go down to about 30Hz. Organs can go even lower, but this is already one of the non-typical cases) That stuff is indeed there and mo

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range

2015-04-23 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Jonathan Burton wrote: My interest is as yours musical. Spectragraphs of frequency show significant energy at 20Hz and below in most forms of music. As soon as Percussion is introduced the level becomes significant. Really? How can this be if there are no fundamentals in this range? (See my

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range

2015-04-23 Thread Peter Lennox
Of Jonathan Burton Sent: 23 April 2015 09:02 To: rica...@justnet.com.au; Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range My interest is as yours musical. Spectragraphs of frequency show significant energy at 20Hz and below in mos

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range

2015-04-23 Thread Jonathan Burton
My interest is as yours musical. Spectragraphs of frequency show significant energy at 20Hz and below in most forms of music. As soon as Percussion is introduced the level becomes significant. Mono reproduction of sub has many practical benefits in that it reduces the amount of phase cancellation t

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range

2015-04-23 Thread Dave Malham
[?] Dave (In case anyone hasn't had their coffee yet, that's a comment on the last paragraph) On 23 April 2015 at 16:46, Richard Lee wrote: > There is an important reason to maintain full Ambisonic capability to below > 20Hz. > > It is a MUSICAL one. > > Go to a service at a large cathedral

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range

2015-04-23 Thread Richard Lee
There is an important reason to maintain full Ambisonic capability to below 20Hz. It is a MUSICAL one. Go to a service at a large cathedral with good organ. At the end of the service, the organist will play something to show off while everyone is leaving. You can walk around and listen at va

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range

2015-04-22 Thread Peter Lennox
: 22 April 2015 10:28 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range I've briefly tried to find a reference on lower bounds for phase-locking, which would limit directional acuity at the bottom of LF, and haven't y

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range

2015-04-22 Thread Peter Lennox
l 2015 08:45 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range OK Dave - I was mostly referencing to "high quality Subs" in home/small to medium sized listening spaces.. I do not really have experience in large scal

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range

2015-04-22 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
es. But as one of my old teachers said: Believe you can do in church, an engineer you have to know. Best Regards Bo-Erik -Original Message- From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Malham Sent: den 21 april 2015 18:22 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subje

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range

2015-04-21 Thread Dave Malham
Hmmm...I have to say that I am simply not convinced (and haven't been for many years) that the figure 80 Hz is appropriate except in domestic sized rooms where the wavefronts are too befuddled by the early arrival of reflections, usually well within a wavelength. I have been able to localise subs f

Re: [Sursound] ENVELOP - 3D Sound, on Kickstarter.com - SUB frequency range

2015-04-21 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
Why not follow the well known and also psychoacoustic based corner frequency of 80 Hz with 24/18db octave filters. If the subwoofers are of good quality and do not produce distortion products that are in higher frequency ranges, clean sounds below 80Hz are not possible to localize without h