[biofuels-biz] Fuel-enhancer making inroads (?)

2002-05-11 Thread Keith Addison
What d'you think of all this then? http://www.solpower.com/soltron/soltronmain.asp Solpower Corporation - Soltron http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?file=/2002/5/7/features/hrfu elnewspage=Search Tuesday, May 7, 2002 Fuel-enhancer making inroads By HILARY CHIEW HOW would you like to

Re: [biofuels-biz] Fuel-enhancer making inroads (?)

2002-05-11 Thread steve spence
I agree with the following quotes: The product should undergo a fuel performance test locally to verify its claims before it is marketed, says Dr Azhar Abdul Aziz. Azhar is attached to the Automotive Develop-ment Centre, Faculty of Mechanical Engineering, Universiti Teknologi Malaysia.

Re:[biofuels-biz] Filtering/aereation

2002-05-11 Thread Goberts
Sorting out a few things at work the other day and came across a packet of plastic tubes. 47mm long 6.5mm diam sealed at one end. Made from porous plastic. Tried using one on end of air line for bubble washing but pore size was 60 micron and bubbles were too large leading to emulsification. They

[biofuels-biz] Re: Fuel-enhancer making inroads (?)

2002-05-11 Thread manickh
It is very hard to percieve-this concept of mixing enzymic proteins with petrol. They also will increase NOx emissions by their very nature. I am not sure about their combustion either. It is amazing really and it would be prudent to ask for detailed info on engine androad tests carried out

Re: [biofuels-biz] Fuel-enhancer making inroads (?)

2002-05-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Steve I agree. So many additives making wonderful claims, but how many of them ever get to see a properly controlled, disinterested scientific assessment? UTM could do it though. It's a Japanese product, should be tested here, but I see nothing about that, instead they go straight for the

[biofuels-biz] hydrogen from garbage, algae, and other information

2002-05-11 Thread steve spence
Fuel Cells - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/fuelcell.htm Hydrogen - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/hydrogen.htm Hydrogen from waste - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/wastehydrogen.htm Hydrogen from algae - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/algaehydrogen.htm University of Warwick

[biofuels-biz] carbon fueled fuel cells

2002-05-11 Thread steve spence
Direct carbon conversion can use fuel derived from many different sources, including coal, lignite, petroleum, natural gas, and even biomass (peat, rice hulls, corn husks). Cooper notes that 90 percent of Earth's electric energy comes from the burning of fossil fuels. Half of our fossil-fuel

[biofuels-biz] 1 hp steam engine, biofueled

2002-05-11 Thread steve spence
A 1hp steam engine, suitable for running from a veggie oil powered babington has been developed by master machinist and inventor, John Archibald. http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/babington/ Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm

[biofuels-biz] Making Ethanol Fuel

2002-05-11 Thread Steve Spence
Is Alcohol Fuel New? The first model cars were run on alcohol, as were many tractors and industrial motors. About that time gasoline became so plentiful and inexpensive that it was not practical to continue the use of alcohol. Germany fought the remainder of the war with alcohol when their

[biofuels-biz] Re: Ethanol fuel issues

2002-05-11 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], manickh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have brewed ethanol at almost theoretical yields (Gay-Lussac), without using cultures, repeatedly in batch systems, and also distilled these batches into 90% spirit in a fractionating column, and thereafter into 200 proof

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread Steven-Lee Craig
Todd, Knew that I would get an ear full. That is why I took a swipe at your cultic post. Perhaps if you pull your head out, wash and disinfect, you would realize that without a creator there is no creation. NONE, 0, PERIOD. Why so you persist in worshiping creation, instead of the creator. Your

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Harmon, Curtis and all On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:37:02PM -0700, Curtis Sakima wrote: I've been hearing a lot about this Gaia lately. It's got me worried. I've heard on the news that some of these Gaia proponents can be pretty Twilight Zone strange and have some rather extreme

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread Keith Addison
Todd, Knew that I would get an ear full. That is why I took a swipe at your cultic post. Perhaps if you pull your head out, wash and disinfect, you would realize that without a creator there is no creation. NONE, 0, PERIOD. Why so you persist in worshiping creation, instead of the creator. Your

Re: Ri:[biofuel] Re: ethanol to gasoline relationship

2002-05-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Martin Keith, are there not algae growth problems with biodiesel being stored a long time? I don't know. I've still got some of the first biodiesel I made, three years ago, and it's still fine. Been in very hot and humid places since then, and cold ones too. Does anyone know of cases of

[biofuel] Fuel-enhancer making inroads (?)

2002-05-11 Thread Keith Addison
What d'you think of all this then? http://www.solpower.com/soltron/soltronmain.asp Solpower Corporation - Soltron http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?file=/2002/5/7/features/hrfu elnewspage=Search Tuesday, May 7, 2002 Fuel-enhancer making inroads By HILARY CHIEW HOW would you like to

Re: Ri:[biofuel] Re: ethanol to gasoline relationship

2002-05-11 Thread steve spence
http://www.nf-2000.org/secure/Fair/F484.htm is a fascinating article to say the least. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport -

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 05:17:19PM +0900, Keith Addison wrote: Her, please, the mother -- or as many Native Americans call her, Grandmother. Which Native Americans, Harmon? Not arguing - but usually settled farming peoples have an Earth Mother and nomadic herders something fiercer,

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread Martin Klingensmith
Why do people say they didn't come from monkeys? How do you know? There is a thing called evolution. How can you say I came from my grandfather? I've seen him - I DIDN'T! --- Steven-Lee Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still worshiping creation, I see! Next we will be told that man came from

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread steve spence
Let's not get silly. The whole monkey crap was disproved years ago (not that it was ever proved to begin with). you don't get changes between species, you might get variations within a species (evolution). None of this is related to biofuels, Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy

Re: [biofuel] Fuel-enhancer making inroads (?)

2002-05-11 Thread dennis
their product is very interesting, it sounds like something that diesel engines need. products like that may be the only way to clean up engines burning #2 diesel. i work on farm tractors and have seen how much carbon builds up in the cylinders. dennis Keith Addison wrote: What

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread steve spence
I'd rather not get my mailbox cluttered up with all this gaia religion stuff. The earth is a living entity because it's made up of living entities, animal and plants. It has no alter intelligence or feelings other than the ones that each of us living things contain. If we try to remember not to

Re: [biofuel] filtering/bubbling

2002-05-11 Thread Goberts
Sorting out a few things at work the other day and came across a packet of plastic tubes. 47mm long 6.5mm diam sealed at one end. Made from porous plastic. Tried using one on end of air line for bubble washing but pore size was 60 micron and bubbles were too large leading to emulsification. They

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread al
dear friends: as interesting as these disscussions on religions are i will be giving up my memnbership of what i thought was going to be something completly different shortly/ take care health and happiness al ---Original Message--- From: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 11,

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread Keith Addison
Harmon wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 05:17:19PM +0900, Keith Addison wrote: Her, please, the mother -- or as many Native Americans call her, Grandmother. Which Native Americans, Harmon? Not arguing - but usually settled farming peoples have an Earth Mother and nomadic herders

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread Appal Energy
Mr. Steven Lee Craig, You bloody well deserve more than an ear full. Hence the perfectly restrained and appropo pull your head out ... and disenfect comment. Perhaps you should re-read your own post that netted such a response - a double edged one liner that assaulted both belief systems of

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Steve Let's not get silly. The whole monkey crap was disproved years ago (not that it was ever proved to begin with). you don't get changes between species, you might get variations within a species (evolution). None of this is related to biofuels, Common ancestor, looks like quite a cute

RE: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread kirk
Modern man is basically a committer of vandalism. He evidences this spirit not only in his acts in the environment but to his brothers and sisters. I am afraid a terrible price will be paid for this. Kirk -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday,

RE: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread kirk
And anyone can see ducks evolved from beaver (or was it the other way round?) Just look at a platypus. ;-) Kirk -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:01 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread Appal Energy
Yes. And I still haven't turned my remaining and sharpest sword into a plowshare. Still operating under the belief system that marauders oft need to be repelled by the same sharp edge that they wield, sometimes as a first resort and sometimes only a last. Yet if one is old enough and willing

[biofuel] Waste-to-Fuel

2002-05-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/energy-tech-02m.html Found on cleanenergyinvestor.com I absolutely love the biowaste-recyling-and-use-as-energy angle. This research is somewhat reminiscent of some Japanese news release I think I read recently. MM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [biofuel] Price of Ethanol

2002-05-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think if you look around a bit, you'll find access to the prices. If it's being published with other commodity prices (which it seems to be), look in any larger newspaper. I wonder if anyone happens to have an Investor's Business Daily, Wall Street Journal or New York Times business section

Re: [biofuel] futures on energy products - incl. ethanol

2002-05-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Betsy: Thanks for the information and explanation. I didn't see your post until just this moment. Going to the CBOT site, I cannot find any information as to ethanol pricing. So, I don't think there are any futures there including ethanol. Years ago when I looked into this I couldn't find

Re: [biofuel] Price of Ethanol

2002-05-11 Thread Keith Addison
snip A website which promotes looking into use of biofuels (such as journeytoforever.org) could, in my opinion, generate a lot more interest in ethanol and in the website by providing pricing, and, most importantly, it would help improve the level of debate about ethanol by helping to educate

Re: [biofuel] Waste-to-Fuel

2002-05-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/energy-tech-02m.html Found on cleanenergyinvestor.com I absolutely love the biowaste-recyling-and-use-as-energy angle. This research is somewhat reminiscent of some Japanese news release I think I read recently. MM This one?

[biofuel] hydrogen from garbage, algae, and other information

2002-05-11 Thread steve spence
Fuel Cells - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/fuelcell.htm Hydrogen - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/hydrogen.htm Hydrogen from waste - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/wastehydrogen.htm Hydrogen from algae - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/algaehydrogen.htm University of Warwick

[biofuel] GET 113 To 138 MPG.

2002-05-11 Thread kris book
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Re: [biofuel] Price of Ethanol

2002-05-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If I could find a regular source of pricing of various fuels I think that there are only one or two ways this is ever going to get done, despite the very best efforts not only of the Petroleum Industry (which seems to have set itself up as one of the only sources of ethanol pricing information)

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread dennis
if humans desended from monkeys, then why are their still monkeys around! Martin Klingensmith wrote: Why do people say they didn't come from monkeys? How do you know? There is a thing called evolution. How can you say I came from my grandfather? I've seen him - I DIDN'T! --- Steven-Lee Craig

Re: [biofuel] GET 113 To 138 MPG.

2002-05-11 Thread steve spence
I'd suggest you hang on to your money. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm

Re: [biofuel] Price of Ethanol

2002-05-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BTW, I realize that this is asking a lot. In anticipation to objections, I am not asking you (Steve) that you should do this, as though you owe anything. I merely meant to lay out what it would take for you or someone else to get this done. But rather than have that someone will say I expect

Re: [biofuel] GET 113 To 138 MPG.

2002-05-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Great link. I hope it's true. If the mileage claims are an exaggeration, he should repair them, because the rest of the story stands on its own merits. I love this guy and this link: http://www.get113to138mpg.com/HardShips.html If it's true, it's great. If it's not true, I salute his

Re: [biofuel] Re: Gaia - was Religion

2002-05-11 Thread Curtis Sakima
Came back on the net. Didn't expect quite the response to my inquiry on Gaia earlier this week. Looked over all the mail. A lot of them puzzled me with more questions than answers. For example, mother earth members of this group (too many mail, can't remember who is who), seem to indicate

[biofuel] Re: Fuel-enhancer making inroads (?)

2002-05-11 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What d'you think of all this then? http://www.solpower.com/soltron/soltronmain.asp Solpower Corporation - Soltron http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp? file=/2002/5/7/features/hrfu elnewspage=Search Tuesday, May 7,

Re: [biofuel] GET 113 To 138 MPG.

2002-05-11 Thread Brian Dickinson
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Ri:[biofuel] Re: ethanol to gasoline relationship

2002-05-11 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nf-2000.org/secure/Fair/F484.htm is a fascinating article to say the least. I agree with you on the fascination. By the time I got half-way through the article, I was nearly screaming for them to add some Ethanol

[biofuel] carbon fueled fuel cells

2002-05-11 Thread steve spence
Direct carbon conversion can use fuel derived from many different sources, including coal, lignite, petroleum, natural gas, and even biomass (peat, rice hulls, corn husks). Cooper notes that 90 percent of Earth's electric energy comes from the burning of fossil fuels. Half of our fossil-fuel

[biofuel] 1 hp steam engine, biofueled

2002-05-11 Thread steve spence
A 1hp steam engine, suitable for running from a veggie oil powered babington has been developed by master machinist and inventor, John Archibald. http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/babington/ Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm

Re: [biofuel] carbon fueled fuel cells

2002-05-11 Thread Ken Provost
Steve Spence writes: Direct carbon conversion can use fuel derived from many different sources, including coal, lignite, petroleum, natural gas, and even biomass (peat, rice hulls, corn husks). Of course, the folks who are REALLY excited about carbon fuel cells would be the Carbon Folks, aka

RE: [biofuel] GET 113 To 138 MPG.

2002-05-11 Thread kirk
Vapor carburetors were a popular item 25 or more years ago. Stratified charge technology pretty much eliminated any advantage they possessed. The best one I saw was Japanese. Had a ferrite heating block under the carburetor and the curie point for the material was around 125F. The resistance rose

[biofuel] Making Ethanol Fuel

2002-05-11 Thread Steve Spence
Is Alcohol Fuel New? The first model cars were run on alcohol, as were many tractors and industrial motors. About that time gasoline became so plentiful and inexpensive that it was not practical to continue the use of alcohol. Germany fought the remainder of the war with alcohol when their

Re: [biofuel] Price of Ethanol

2002-05-11 Thread MH
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I realize that this is asking a lot. In anticipation to objections, I am not asking you (Steve) that you should do this, as though you owe anything. I merely meant to lay out what it would take for you or someone else to get this done. But rather than have

[biofuel] Ethanol, Henry Ford and more

2002-05-11 Thread MH
Background The use of ethanol as an automobile fuel in the United States dates as far back as 1908, to the Ford Model T. Henry Ford was a supporter of home-grown renewable fuels, and his Model T could be modified to run on either gasoline or pure alcohol.3 Ethanol was used to fuel cars