Public Support - was Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jesus certainly did know his politics. But what Bill has been saying > has long since become a thread through all the major religions and > all societies. Of course, just to set the facts straight - Jesus also said: "L

[biofuel] Re: Our Constitution Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Harmon, I sympathise, but stop it now, this thread is OVER. > Ahh, sorry -- I'm reading down the list, just saw your post, and I've apparantly been responding to other messages long after your finis. Biofuel at Journey to

[biofuel] Re: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "fatguy1966" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Looks like that Bush Literacy thing is > working really well down there. We can tell tell how well the Bush Literacy thing is working everytime we hear Dumbass Dubbya speak. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytofo

[biofuel] Re: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "TexasTDI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Texan's don't take no crap and aren't afraid of a fight. 30 dumb Texans > fought and won a battle in San Antonio against 3000 Mexican soldiers that > well better trained and better equipped. Hold on there -- they definitely did

[biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "TexasTDI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now you are really showing your ignorance. (snip) But in > my defense I happened to look at a bottle of vegetable oil in my kitchen. > The ingrediants are 100% SOYBEAN oil. Yeah, well check another brand -- the next will be 100

Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel by any other name is still.............

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
>Been brainstorming lately.. yeah yeah I aught not too it is >painfull but. what they hey. > >Since one can not sell Bio"fuel" But it seems you can. You're talking about the US, right? >how about "Diesel Clean Air >Suplement" or. something to that affect. I can see the ad >now.

[biofuel] Re: converting a Kubotq

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
I just bought a little Kubota engine (600cc twin cyl. water-cooled diesel) and am picking it up tomorrow. Plan to use it to generate power, heat my shop, and run a hydraulic pump. Can't imagine why it would have any problem with biodiesel. Or SVO, for that matter. Guess I'll find out shortly

[biofuel] What's your "20"

2002-11-10 Thread csakima
Hey, you lucky guy, I've always wanted to go there too!! If ever you email JPEG's of Japan (like to your friends or relatives etc) ... CC: some of those to me (off-list) will ya??!! BTW, I'm assuming Midori must be your wife/girlfriend/etc. Your "other half". Curtis Get your free newsletter

[biofuel] What's your "20"

2002-11-10 Thread csakima
Your "20" short for 10-20 (most have heard of "Roger, 10-4) term used by one radio operator asking another "where on the map are you??", since a radio mounted in an automobile could be "anywhere". I thought it appropriate ... since with the 'net, it's not always obvious where "every em

[biofuel] Project Help

2002-11-10 Thread Mel Jahnke
Alright, I have a few questions about a project I'm doing. 1)Are there any politicians (Past and present) who have fervently supported biofuels, and is there any way I can contact them? 2)Can biofuels be applied on a large scale? If so, why hasn't it happened already? 3)Who were/are the

Public Support - was Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
>First of all, a message for KEITH: I'm not re-starting that name calling >thread again. You can breath your sigh of relief now!! :) Let me change the header for you then Curtis. I can only agree with your scepticism of the Current Movie as Lovingly Prepared and Packaged for Public Consumpti

[biofuels-biz] Biodiesel by any other name is still.............

2002-11-10 Thread mogcamp
Been brainstorming lately.. yeah yeah I aught not too it is painfull but. what they hey. Since one can not sell Bio"fuel" how about "Diesel Clean Air Suplement" or. something to that affect. I can see the ad now. CLEANER AIR BY THE GALLON! So the pump at ur "Diesel supplem

[biofuel] Re: DaimlerChrysler's headquarters gate barricaded by Greenpeace activists

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "girl_mark_fire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yup, the EF! Journal convers environmentalist direct action frontline > stories extensively. Another place to look for radical media is on > the indymedia.org sites. Indymedia was created as a respons to > mainstream med

[biofuel] Common roots Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread csakima
Hmmm... you're right!! They are kinda connected in a way. I think (according to how the story goes) Abraham had sons Isaac ... and Ishmael. If memory serves me right, Isaac ... geneology ... blah, blah, blah .. leads down to the Jews & Christians . and Ishmael blah, blah, blah ..

Re: [biofuel] What's your "20"

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
>BTW, Keith ... on what soil do you lay your head down each night. What I >mean is ... in what state/country/etc are ya located in. "Osaka" is in >Japan isn't it?? Yes. It's quite a place. I've wanted to come here all my life, never got sent here on commission when I was working South East Asi

Re: END THIS THREAD NOW. - WAS Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
>Kieth, > >Sorry about the debate. I've said my piece. Thanks for the forum. > >Bill C. No problem at all Bill. It wasn't addressed at you, but at everyone, your message was just next in line. Sorry about that. It's quite clear now who it was addressed to, and the problem is solved and behind

DON'T RESPOND TO THIS MESSAGE PLEASE - WAS Re: [biofuel] Re: Our Constitution Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
The way this list works is that the software automatically puts all new members on moderation, so that their initial messages are checked before going to the list. This is to stop spammers and trolls, and you can take my word for it that it's saved us a LOT of bother. Mr Thornton was a new mem

Re: END THIS THREAD NOW. - WAS Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread William Clark
Kieth, Sorry about the debate. I've said my piece. Thanks for the forum. Bill C. - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: END THIS THREAD NOW. - WAS Re: [biofuel] Politics > That is more than enough of this thr

Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread csakima
First of all, a message for KEITH: I'm not re-starting that name calling thread again. You can breath your sigh of relief now!! :) I merely wanted to comment that ... You know what?? The man "Jesus" ... really knew his Politics!! He KNEW that if he started to throw fists ... sure ... som

[biofuel] What's your "20" Was: PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE

2002-11-10 Thread csakima
BTW, Keith ... on what soil do you lay your head down each night. What I mean is ... in what state/country/etc are ya located in. "Osaka" is in Japan isn't it?? Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL

Thai biodiesel - was Re: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hello again Gumpon >Dear Keith > >Keith Addison wrote: > > > Dear Gumpon, hello and welcome > > > > >Dear Keith > > >Thank you for taking the action in this arguing. Sometimes I >feel sick to > > >read through all these. I would like it to be more biofuel news in this > > >groups > > > > I'm

Re: [biofuel] Re: Our Constitution Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
Oh my! How original! Did you think of that all by yourself? Chris Thornton 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Door 1.6D - 233k miles 2000 VW Golf GLS 1.9TDI 130hp/229ftlbs - 73k miles 1998 VW Passat GLS 1.8T -- FOR SALE Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500 http://texastdi.com/6/ubb.x - Original Mes

Re: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE

2002-11-10 Thread Gumpon Prateepchaikul
Dear Keith Keith Addison wrote: > Dear Gumpon, hello and welcome > > >Dear Keith > >ÊÊÊ Thank you for taking the action in this arguing. Sometimes I feel sick to > >read through all these. I would like it to be more biofuel news in this > >groups > > I'm so glad you said that. I keep reminding a

[biofuel] Re: Our Constitution Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
Harmon, I sympathise, but stop it now, this thread is OVER. Keith >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have a heart man! > > Yes, I guess I really have lost heart lately. The situation in the >US seems quite hopeless. As our Tex-ass friend said -- the people h

MODERATOR'S MESSAGE - WAS Re: [biofuels-biz] Our [US?] Constitution

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
These messages from Marc should not be here, he's sent them to the wrong list - they're responses to messages at the Biofuel list, where I've just put a stop to this flame war. And I asked Marc off-list to desist. So please ignore these messages and don't respond. Apologies, and thanks. Best

[biofuel] Re: Our Constitution Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Have a heart man! Yes, I guess I really have lost heart lately. The situation in the US seems quite hopeless. As our Tex-ass friend said -- the people have spoken -- and that is what is so terribly disheartening. So very many

END THIS THREAD NOW. - WAS Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
That is more than enough of this thread thankyou. I've hinted, asked, others have complained, people are taking no notice. Any further posts on this thread will get the poster suspended. Keith Addison Moderator >Chris, > >As far as Bill Clinton is concerned, he was painted with the "Wag the D

Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
If Klinton was half the man Bush was, he would have stuck to his guns. He had full Democratic support at the time. He could have easily taken further action if he had the courage to. Chris Thornton 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Door 1.6D - 233k miles 2000 VW Golf GLS 1.9TDI 130hp/229ftlbs - 73k miles 1998

[biofuels-biz] Our Constitution

2002-11-10 Thread Marc de Piolenc
" That's one aspect of why Dubbya and Asscruft are so incredibly evil -- they are doing anything and everything they can to destroy the Constitution. As did Klinton and Reno before them. And Bush Sr. Hang them all from the nearest lampost and drag their bodies thru the streets until there is

[biofuels-biz] Our [US?] Constitution

2002-11-10 Thread Marc de Piolenc
"I could be wrong ... but I thought that the ORIGINAL purpose of our Constitution WAS for limiting the extent and powers of our government Isn't that right ... or am I mistaken??" If you're referring to the US constitution, you are correct. It was originally written as an enumeration of th

Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread William Clark
Chris, As far as Bill Clinton is concerned, he was painted with the "Wag the Dog" paint brush by Republicans when he suggested that it may be necessary to engage Iraq during the latter part of his administration. One of the most vocal in this critisism was Rep.Dick Armey of Texas. Who was being u

Re: [biofuel] Re: Eudora was: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
>"I appeared to drop to the level of a Texan in order to get a point >accross." > >This is a cheap shot. And I don't appreciate it. It implies that I, as a >Texan, am beneath him. That's your problem. I don't care if you appreciate it or not. It wasn't obscene, it wasn't against my directive,

Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear William, Thank you for your thoughtful words and I would even take it a step further, since the Christians, the Jews and the Muslims share the same God. All have examples as Jesus and they preach the non violence message and love for each other. How can we defend this unreasonable attitude

Re: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
Dear Gumpon, hello and welcome >Dear Keith >Thank you for taking the action in this arguing. Sometimes I feel sick to >read through all these. I would like it to be more biofuel news in this >groups I'm so glad you said that. I keep reminding all these noisy Westerners here that there are m

Re: [biofuel] Re: Eudora was: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
Thank you. Apology accepted. Chris Thornton 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Door 1.6D - 233k miles 2000 VW Golf GLS 1.9TDI 130hp/229ftlbs - 73k miles 1998 VW Passat GLS 1.8T -- FOR SALE Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500 http://texastdi.com/6/ubb.x - Original Message - From: "fatguy1966" <[

Re: [biofuel] Re: Eudora was: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
"I appeared to drop to the level of a Texan in order to get a point accross." This is a cheap shot. And I don't appreciate it. It implies that I, as a Texan, am beneath him. Chris Thornton 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Door 1.6D - 233k miles 2000 VW Golf GLS 1.9TDI 130hp/229ftlbs - 73k miles 1998 VW Pass

[biofuel] Re: Eudora was: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread fatguy1966
Chris, for the first time in this exchange, you are right. I apologize for the final cheap shot. Passion is something I seem to have a lot of these days. again, I'm sorry, fred --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "TexasTDI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And once again a cheap shot. Nice work there

Re: [biofuel] Re: Eudora was: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
>And once again a cheap shot. Nice work there. REALLY mature. :rolleyes: > >If name calling won't be allowed, than sarcastic cheap shots like this >shouldn't be allowed either. What exactly are you talking about Mr Thornton? There's been way more than enough offensive language in this thread

Re: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE

2002-11-10 Thread Gumpon Prateepchaikul
Dear Keith ÊÊÊ Thank you for taking the action in this arguing. Sometimes I feel sick to read through all these. I would like it to be more biofuel news in this groups Regards Gumpon Keith Addison wrote: > I've already said this once, that should be enough. No more offensive > language please, i

Re: [biofuel] Re: Eudora was: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
And once again a cheap shot. Nice work there. REALLY mature. :rolleyes: If name calling won't be allowed, than sarcastic cheap shots like this shouldn't be allowed either. If you're gonna apologize, be a man and apologize without senseless cheap shots. Chris Thornton 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Door

Re: [biofuel] Re: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
I never majored in history. But my point was 30 Texans holding off Santa Anna as long as they did shows you how strong Texans are and how we will fight till the end for what we believe in. Chris Thornton 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Door 1.6D - 233k miles 2000 VW Golf GLS 1.9TDI 130hp/229ftlbs - 73k miles

Re: [biofuel] Eudora was: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
Happy to be of service. };-) Chris Thornton 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Door 1.6D - 233k miles 2000 VW Golf GLS 1.9TDI 130hp/229ftlbs - 73k miles 1998 VW Passat GLS 1.8T -- FOR SALE Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500 http://texastdi.com/6/ubb.x - Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" <[

[biofuel] Re: Eudora was: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread fatguy1966
Hakan, et.al., I apologize for the colorful language. I appeared to drop to the level of a Texan in order to get a point accross. I will be more careful in the future. Again, I apologize, fred --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Chris and Fred, > > I swi

Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
I'm not perfect. And I don't walk away from a fight. I guess I'm not a true Christian because I don't "turn the other cheek". In 1998 Democrats said Hussein was a global threat. Yet for some reason that only Klinton knows, Klinton didn't go after him. Now we finally have a President that has

[biofuel] Eudora was: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi Chris and Fred, I switched to Eudora mail client a while ago, because of the lesser risk of executing viruses and that it is also supported by Norton. Eudora have an interesting feature called mood watch and I have to thank you for supplying an excellent test. It is quite interesting to see

[biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
I've already said this once, that should be enough. No more offensive language please, in the "Re: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics" thread or anywhere else. Moderator's directives are not to be ignored. Thankyou. Keith Addison Moderator >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:59:46 +

Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread William Clark
Chris, I needed to establish a set of prnciples that we both could agree on. You believe that Jesus is your savior and, for the sake of expidiency, I will assume that Jesus' words should guide your life. While I may disagree on the nature of God and Jesus, I believe in Jesus' example. I believe t

[biofuel] Re: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread fatguy1966
Because you won the war, not the battle. Unless it was 30 dumb Texans who won the state for everyone. Funny that some asshole from Minnesota knows Texas history better than an asshole from Texas. Looks like that Bush Literacy thing is working really well down there. fred --- In [EMAIL PROT

Re: [biofuel] Re: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
If we lost, then why aren't we a part of Mexico then? I await your answer. Chris Thornton 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Door 1.6D - 233k miles 2000 VW Golf GLS 1.9TDI 130hp/229ftlbs - 73k miles 1998 VW Passat GLS 1.8T -- FOR SALE Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer #1098500 http://texastdi.com/6/ubb.x

[biofuel] Re: The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread fatguy1966
Oh Gawd, Chris if you are talking about the Alamo, you are so full of crap that you have completely discredited yourself. First off, it was a seige not a battle. Second there may have been 30 Texans but there were more missonaries and just plain folks there who also got their asses kicked.

Re: [biofuel] Re: DaimlerChrysler's headquarters gate barricaded by Greenpeace activists

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
>Another thing I failed to mention. US diesel is limited to 500ppm, but >Europe's is limited to 350ppm. That's not much difference. Onlu until >Europe, and finaly the US, starts limiting sulphur content to 15ppm will we >ever have clean diesels. Europe already has clean diesels. If you rate th

Re: [biofuel] The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
>Texan's don't take no crap and aren't afraid of a fight. 30 dumb Texans >fought and won a battle in San Antonio against 3000 Mexican soldiers that >well better trained and better equipped. That should tell you a little of a >Texan's personality. Unless you're a Texan, I don't expect you to >un

Re: [biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
I was born and raised Presbyterian, been worshiping Baptist for the last 10 years because my wife is Baptist. Both are Protestant religions so it's no wonder we don't agree. };-) Chris Thornton 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Door 1.6D - 233k miles 2000 VW Golf GLS 1.9TDI 130hp/229ftlbs - 73k miles 1998 VW

Re: [biofuel] Re: DaimlerChrysler's headquarters gate barricaded by Greenpeace activists

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
Another thing I failed to mention. US diesel is limited to 500ppm, but Europe's is limited to 350ppm. That's not much difference. Onlu until Europe, and finaly the US, starts limiting sulphur content to 15ppm will we ever have clean diesels. Chris Thornton 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Door 1.6D - 233k m

Re: [biofuel] The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
Texan's don't take no crap and aren't afraid of a fight. 30 dumb Texans fought and won a battle in San Antonio against 3000 Mexican soldiers that well better trained and better equipped. That should tell you a little of a Texan's personality. Unless you're a Texan, I don't expect you to underst

Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
Depends on your definition of a Christain. I go to Sunday school and Sunday worship at church, I believe in Jesus as our saviour, etc. But I also curse on occation and do enjoy a good German beer once in a while. And I'm not afraid of a fight. I don't "turn the other cheek". I fight for my be

Re: [biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread TexasTDI
Now you are really showing your ignorance. If you would take the time to actually READ my posts I said I didn't think that a peanut was a vegetable. That was my opinion until I was told the peanut was a part of the legume family. The same family as peas, beans, etc. I said nothing of the sort

[biofuel] Nuremberg Inventor's Fair 3

2002-11-10 Thread Cletus Obrian
>My higher point was, is, and will continue to be, >that I think it would be a good idea to give >consumers a better idea of all the gasses in their >rooms, their houses, their cars, their offices, their >outdoors. How is this exclusive to the information I've provided you? I offered you a

Re: [biofuel] converting a Kubotq

2002-11-10 Thread Steve Spence
I disagree that biodiesel is not a good idea for a firetruck. If it's good enough for NJ Transit Buses... I'm a fireman, and I use both biodiesel and wvo in my vehicles on the way to a fire. The Kubota will work as well as any other diesel engine. It's an indirect injected engine, but that makes

RE: [biofuel] converting a Kubotq

2002-11-10 Thread Martin
I believe the first step would be to look up what sort of engine it is, and see if anyone has converted that engine before. If you cannot find information about that specific engine, look at an engine with similar characteristics and see how it has worked for the person who converted it. Just t

[biofuel] waste oil scarcity?

2002-11-10 Thread girl mark
There's a biodiesel plant being built in the San Jose or someplace nearby. I don't know any of the details as far as production capacity, but the plant is supposedly going to be running WVO as feedstock. Randall of CytoCulture, who'se a pretty knowledgeable guy, is convinced that we're about

[biofuel] I agree with you there!! Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread csakima
"Not having a right guy"!! "Mostly voting against the wrong guy"!!! (LOL!!) I think 99% of this list would agree with you there!! Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Steve Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I hardly ever

[biofuel] converting a Kubotq

2002-11-10 Thread Kim & Garth Travis
Sorry for cross posting, but I decided to look at converting my tractor before I look for a diesel truck. If biodiesel is not a good idea for a fire truck, I don't see it being a good idea for the firefighter to depend on to get to the truck. I have a Kubota M4700F/DT and I would like to set

Re: [biofuel] Re: DaimlerChrysler's headquarters gate barricaded by Greenpeace activists

2002-11-10 Thread Kim & Garth Travis
If you would ever like to visit Texas, I'll give you free room and board, and I promise non of the loud mouth idiots that everyone seems to think Texas is made of. There are lots of us that could use some help converting our farms and ranches. Bright Blessings, Kim girl_mark_fire wrote: > Yu

[biofuel] Re: DaimlerChrysler's headquarters gate barricaded by Greenpeace activists

2002-11-10 Thread girl_mark_fire
Yup, being a media stunt direct action activist (or one of their behind-the-scenes supporters, the people putting out the news press releases that don't get any press coverage, the people negotiating with police at a banner drop, the people doing jail support, in my case I was one of the peopl

Re: WHOA!! - was Re: [biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread milliontc
> > >AFAIK, James has plans to implement pilot schemes in conjunction with > >clean air projects, waste recycling and biofuels. Is that still the > >plan, James? I think this is a really promising local initiative. > >Yes. Things are progressing well on various fronts. The Direct Democracy pi

Re: [biofuel] Our Constitution Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Kim & Garth Travis
That was the original purpose of the Constitution, our founders were well aware of the evils of government. Bright Blessings, Kim csakima wrote: > I could be wrong ... but I thought that the ORIGINAL purpose of our > Constitution WAS for limiting the extent and powers of our government >

[biofuel] Appropriate Community

2002-11-10 Thread Steve Spence
We are starting a community for the research and development of appropriate technology in the areas of farming, agriculture, energy, and self sufficiency. We will be working on clean water, organic food, sustainable energy and other aspects of life. Located on 40 acres in Northern NY State, th

[biofuel] Re: DaimlerChrysler's headquarters gate barricaded by Greenpeace activists

2002-11-10 Thread girl_mark_fire
Yup, the EF! Journal convers environmentalist direct action frontline stories extensively. Another place to look for radical media is on the indymedia.org sites. Indymedia was created as a respons to mainstream media blockout of news about dissent. There is much more of it in the Unites States

[biofuel] Re: DaimlerChrysler's headquarters gate barricaded by Greenpeace activists

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Mark >Wow, > > just imagine if those German Greenpeacers were in the US!!! > > > > Keith > > > > >Well, this kind of thing DOES happen over here, but you don't hear >aobut it in national media (and usually not abroad). People protest >corporate policies this way more often than you may think,

Re: WHOA!! - was Re: [biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Steve Spence
gotta disagree with that one. Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice Doggy" while searching for a large stick ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message --

Re: [biofuel] Our Constitution Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Steve Spence
It was, but it's been subverted. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 8:5

Re: [biofuel] It doesn't necessarily mean that Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Steve Spence
I hardly ever vote for the "right guy", I vote against the "more wrong guy". More often than not, the "more wrong guy" is democrat, but not always. There never is a "right guy". Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http:

Re: [biofuel] Re: DaimlerChrysler's headquarters gate barricaded by Greenpeace activists

2002-11-10 Thread Steve Spence
A girl I went to grade school with was living with her Grandparents for a while as her parents got arrested for chaining themselves to the equipment that was meant to be used for installing the 765kv line in upstate ny. It happens, but not all of it is for legitimate purposes. Steve Spence Subsc

[biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread fatguy1966
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Harmon Seaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Now I worship Mother Earth and Father Sky, the religion of my ancestors, or at least most of them, the Indian and the Celtic." Harmon, Being a good Catholic, I can forgive that! ;-) fred > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "

[biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
I used to be, unfortunately. I now consider it in many ways one of the most evil periods of my life. I was a fundamentalist, and made my living as a logger and trapper, was well thought of in my church. Better I should have sold cannibis for a living. Now I worship Mother Earth and Father S

[biofuel] Re: Our Constitution Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Harmon, Curtis >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I could be wrong ... but I thought that the ORIGINAL purpose of our > > Constitution WAS for limiting the extent and powers of our >government > > > > Isn't that right ... or am I mistaken?? > > > > No,

[biofuel] Interesting Name Was: 1st day of biofuel class w/ Girl Mark

2002-11-10 Thread csakima
Well that must lead to an unusual life. "Well here's your new partner ... Mark". And then a "girl" steps forward. Kinda like the guys who are named "Kim" ... or "Lynn" (if you're wondering what I meant). I remember I once worked with a girl named "Tommy" (Real name, birth certificate /Driver'

[biofuel] Questioning Everything Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread csakima
Hi Murdoch! I feel for you that you're having "a tough time participating in a conversation on politics herein this forum". I hope you do not give up making your feelings known. I for one ... always believe that one on man's basic rights ... is to have an "Opinion". Even if I, personally, do

[biofuel] Miracles do happen ... from time to time. Was: Our Constitution

2002-11-10 Thread csakima
Hah!! For all the 99% that Harmon and I disagree on . we actually agree on something!! Remember the Subject: Was Gaia Was: Religion fiasco months and months ago Harmon?? Hahahahaha!! (LOL), Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Me

Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM > >As distasteful as discussing politics is, I believe that we > >all better get involved or the only discussing we'll be > >doing is how to get off this planet. We are all victims of > >the propaganda machine and it breaks my heart to read that > >intelligent beings are so easily fooled by

Re: [biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread William Clark
Thanks Fred.Waiting for Chris. Bill C. - Original Message - From: "fatguy1966" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Politics > Bill, I realize that the question was not meant for me but to > clarify, I am Christian, Catholic to be exac

[biofuel] Re: DaimlerChrysler's headquarters gate barricaded by Greenpeace activists

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "girl_mark_fire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow, > > just imagine if those German Greenpeacers were in the US!!! > > > > Keith > > > > > Well, this kind of thing DOES happen over here, but you don't hear > aobut it in national media (and usually not abroad). Peo

[biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread fatguy1966
Bill, I realize that the question was not meant for me but to clarify, I am Christian, Catholic to be exact. fred --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "William Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was just wondering if you considered yourself to be a christian. I am not, > but , I spent most of my 45 y

[biofuel] Re: DaimlerChrysler's headquarters gate barricaded by Greenpeace activists

2002-11-10 Thread girl_mark_fire
Wow, > just imagine if those German Greenpeacers were in the US!!! > > Keith > > Well, this kind of thing DOES happen over here, but you don't hear aobut it in national media (and usually not abroad). People protest corporate policies this way more often than you may think, it just doesn't

[biofuel] I think that's the Whole Point. Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread csakima
I think that's the idea that started this whole chirade. I think the oilies are hoping this is the conclusion that Saddam Hussein will come to. And allow another (Big Oil selected ... ahem, I'm sorry ... RECOMMENDED) leader to take his place. An "employee" of Big Oil. Curtis Get your free new

[biofuel] The impression you are making Was:WHOA!! - Politics

2002-11-10 Thread csakima
And what?? "The proper teaching tool of husbandship and fatherhood ... is a raised hand??" "Go ahead, steal my pickup truck!! It would give me an excuse for blowing off you face with my 44 Magnum??" (bumper sticker I've seen) "Might makes Right??" Your comments are painting you in a way I do

[biofuel] Re: Our Constitution Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I could be wrong ... but I thought that the ORIGINAL purpose of our > Constitution WAS for limiting the extent and powers of our government > > Isn't that right ... or am I mistaken?? > No, that's exactly correct. The

Re: [biofuel] Politics

2002-11-10 Thread William Clark
I was just wondering if you considered yourself to be a christian. I am not, but , I spent most of my 45 years in the christian church. I have more to say but will wait for clarification on this. Bill C. - Original Message - From: "TexasTDI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, Novem

[biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (snip) > I am an immigrant and not allowed to vote, but would you have actually > preferred I vote for Gore, who stood up during the debates and told > lies? Of course not -- algore is a pathological liar, he even lie

[biofuel] Re: Interesting Name Was: 1st day of biofuel class w/ Girl Mark

2002-11-10 Thread girl_mark_fire
Everyone in my regular life (ie not just on the internet) calls me by my nickname Mark, the 'girl' Mark part happened eventally to differentiate between me and others (though I 'kicked' a guy named Mark off of his name recently when he moved into our house, and he became Dave instead just to c

Re: WHOA!! - was Re: [biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
>And diplomacy is the weapon of the cowardly. It's hard to believe that anybody with half a brain could make such a Neanderthal comment. Fred must be right - so much for the wonders of Texas, and either pity the exceptions or offer them alternative housing. Keith >Chris Thornton >1991 VW Je

Re: WHOA!! - was Re: [biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Keith Addison
Dear Hakan >Dear Keith, > >I did understood that you did not mean it serious, but >it gave me an opportunity to put down some thoughts. Good! No problem then - I should have been a bit more careful all the same, especially amid all this virtual slaughter. >To be honest, I like very much to dis

WHOA!! - was Re: [biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread fatguy1966
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "TexasTDI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "And diplomacy is the weapon of the cowardly." Oooh... Snappy little comeback Chris. Did you think of that on your own or did you have to listen to Rush Limbaugh to get that one? fred > > Chris Thornton > 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Doo

Re: [biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Fred, Now you destroyed it, no point if he realize that you would not kill each other. Hakan At 04:55 PM 11/10/2002 +, you wrote: >Hakan, > >Bin laden's actions were not necessary to begin with. Killing >innocent people is wrong no matter who does it. Verbal jousting >hurts no one. I sa

[biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread fatguy1966
Hakan, Bin laden's actions were not necessary to begin with. Killing innocent people is wrong no matter who does it. Verbal jousting hurts no one. I say that the verbal equivaliant of flying two aircraft into the world trade center towers will do less damage than the actual act. So copy

Re: [biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi guys, Why do we not copy this whole thread of communication to Osama bin Laden. I am sure that he will realize that his activities are not necessary. Hakan At 04:40 PM 11/10/2002 +, you wrote: >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "fatguy1966" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The True American was b

[biofuel] Re: It doesn't necessarily mean that Was: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread fatguy1966
Curtis, No offense was taken just because someone was "Republican" or named any other party affiliation. I got pissed off at the comment: "The true American people saw the light and realized it's going to take a Republican run government to get anything done, and said so with their vote. De

[biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread Harmon Seaver
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "fatguy1966" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The True American was blinded by fear of 9/11. John Ass-croft has > insisted that the rights of average Americans are un-thoughtfully > trampled and the average Joe (or more appropraitely Yusef) can be > held unconditionally a

[biofuel] Re: Politics

2002-11-10 Thread fatguy1966
Go ahead and be offended, Chris. I am not going to go ahead and play nice with you because you were "offended." And it is not only Yankees that think Texans are dumb, have you ever been outside of the USA? You should what they think of Texans. Your former Governor and current President ha

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