Re: [biofuel] Questions about biodiesel

2003-03-08 Thread Appal Energy
*Paul, > As an old fart, I remember when various solutions to the problems of the world were proposed only to later reveal deep and more insidious problems. I remember the Atoms for Peace program and how Nuke power plants were going to provide unlimited "safe and clean" power for the world. *"En

[biofuel] Re: OT: sustainable plumbing

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM > >this soon, for one. What do you heat it with, anyway - preferably > >biogas maybe, or a WVO burner? Post just in about treating the > >wash-water, also a plumbing subject - or rather less plumbing (use a > >graywater system). Distilling fuel ethanol requires cooling water, > >again a plu

[biofuel] Re: OT: sustainable plumbing

2003-03-08 Thread murdoch
>this soon, for one. What do you heat it with, anyway - preferably >biogas maybe, or a WVO burner? Post just in about treating the >wash-water, also a plumbing subject - or rather less plumbing (use a >graywater system). Distilling fuel ethanol requires cooling water, >again a plumbing matter.

Re: [biofuel] Questions about biodiesel

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Paul >As an old fart, ... and not the only one! >I remember when various solutions to the problems of the world were >proposed only to later reveal deep and more insidious problems. I >remember the Atoms for Peace program and how Nuke power plants were >going to provide unlimited "saf

Re: [biofuel] OT: sustainable plumbing

2003-03-08 Thread Appal Energy
"Slab" leaks are a royal pain in the saddle and expensive to repair. The practice of pouring concrete over plumbing is often associated with block houses, as it is an inconvenience of uneconomic proportions to the builder to place the plumbing in any other fashion. Problems usually occur from set

Re: [biofuel] OT: sustainable plumbing

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM Plumbing isn't necessarily off-topic. We've just had discussion on using hot water to provide process heat for making biodiesel, definitely involves plumbing - I'll be needing to learn more about this soon, for one. What do you heat it with, anyway - preferably biogas maybe, or a WVO bu

[biofuel] Re: OT: sustainable plumbing

2003-03-08 Thread murdoch
On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:18:43 -0800, you wrote: >oops meant Polyethylene pipe... > - Original > *** > Is quest that poly butynol (sp) flexible pipe simiar to what you > find behind refrigerator as water /ice makers lines? I think he did

Re: [biofuel] OT: sustainable plumbing

2003-03-08 Thread murdoch
>whats the URL for your inventing ideas group? > >Kirk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inventingideas/?yguid=109391995 With these idea groups, the idea isn't necessarily for me to push hard for a lot of conversation, but 50% of it is I see no reason why I, or someone else, should let ideas "die on

Re: [biofuel] VW Diesel Warranty exclusions!!

2003-03-08 Thread Richard J Laue
>Hello, > >Went looking at the Golf TDI today and had TWO dealers tell me that >the engine warranty wold be VOIDED if I bought one and ran biodiesel. > >I'm gonna check further intoi it, but thought I'd pass this on. > >Bill in Az Hi, Bill - If you are interested in owning a TDI, you ought to c

[biofuel] Re: VW Diesel Warranty exclusions!!

2003-03-08 Thread Cole
I have talked to my local VW dealer a lot about my intentions of running biodiesel, and he has said nothing about the waranty being voided. Biofuel will EXTEND the life of the engine long after the waranty expires. I am going down tomorow morning to Santa Rosa CA VW dealer and get a 2002 Gol

[biofuel] Questions about biodiesel

2003-03-08 Thread Paul Schwartz
As an old fart, I remember when various solutions to the problems of the world were proposed only to later reveal deep and more insidious problems. I remember the Atoms for Peace program and how Nuke power plants were going to provide unlimited "safe and clean" power for the world. I remember f

RE: [biofuel] OT: sustainable plumbing

2003-03-08 Thread kirk
whats the URL for your inventing ideas group? Kirk -Original Message- From: murdoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] OT: sustainable plumbing I'm sorry for posting th

[biofuel] OT: sustainable plumbing

2003-03-08 Thread murdoch
I'm sorry for posting this to the biofuel group, but there seem to be many sustainability-minded people there, and I don't know of the precise appropriate group. I'm also posting to an "inventing ideas" group I started, because when we have ideas that relate to inventions, it would be nice to wri

Re: [biofuels-biz] SF biodiesel/SVO Another B100 pump

2003-03-08 Thread Steve Spence
you would have to ask that question of Russ Teall, President of Biodiesel Industries. I'm just his new Webmaster. > Russ Teall > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Biodiesel Industries > http://www.pipeline.to/biodiesel/ > The Biodiesel Industries website will be updated shortly, and kept fresh. Steve Spence

RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant

2003-03-08 Thread kirk
But then you have to sequester the algae or the carbon is back in the above ground environment when it decays or is burned. Cheaper to leave the carbon underground in the first place. Kirk -Original Message- From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003

[biofuel] Re: protest

2003-03-08 Thread motie_d
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The old "people perform according to the level of their pay" theory is a bit > overly simplistic, a little moth worn at the edges and more consistently > applied with a greater degree of accuracy to animals rather than

[biofuel] Re: protest

2003-03-08 Thread motie_d
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Amen! Either the Laws and Constitution apply, or they don't. If they apply, they apply to all equally. Selective, or arbitrary enforcement is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause. Arbitrary enforcement of a 'Law'

[biofuel] Emergency Appeal to the U.N.

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
There are some hoax appeals going around, but this isn't one of them. Keith >Date: 6 Mar 2003 16:37:13 - >From: "Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Dear MoveOn member, > >The response to our emergency petition to the U.N. Security Council >has been nothing short of extraordina

[biofuel] It's about the oil

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
http://traprockpeace.org/It'sAboutTheOil.html A New Campaign to Stop the War and Provide Education on Oil Dependence General Information A group of people in the Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts are working to post this anti-war message on a very prominent billboard on Route 91 in the s

[biofuel] Iraq Crisis

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/irqindx.htm Iraq Crisis - Global Policy Forum - UN Security Council Iraq Crisis The United States and Britain have attacked Iraq repeatedly since the end of the Gulf War in 1991. They have also deployed threatening forces in Iraq's proximity and oper

[biofuel] US Arm-Twisting

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/armtwistindex.htm US Arm-Twisting - Security Council - Global Policy Forum US Arm-Twisting This section looks at the tremendous pressure the US can bring to bear on UN Security Council members, and Elected members in particular, to gain t

[biofuel] US Intentions

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
>"From the Wilderness" Contributing Editor for Energy, geologist Dale >Allen Pfeiffer, reveals that the Bush administration was aware of >Peak Oil and what it meant before taking office. He also takes a >hard look at the condition of Iraqi oil fields and blows away the >Wall Street fantasy tha

RE: [biofuels-biz] SF biodiesel/SVO Another B100 pump

2003-03-08 Thread Winny De Schryver
Steve, Can you give me some figures about your plants ? What is the production and what is the metod catalyst or without catalyst ? Only WVA or pure oil to ? We are in Belgium and looking to build a plant of 50,000 tons a year, continious production without catalyst. Kind regards Winny >

RE: [biofuel] U.S. Seeking Cleaner Model of Coal Plant

2003-03-08 Thread Party of Citizens
What about a suggestion someone made earlier to use the CO2 for aquaculture (eg algae production; perhaps other plants as well)? Don't plants give off O2 to restore the O2/CO2 balance? POC On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Martin wrote: > Yes, but it ends up giving the process of burning hydrocarbons a > neg

Re: [biofuel] protest

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
Something that seems largely to have been lost is the idea that if a job is worth doing it's worth doing well - pride in a job well done, in a high level of skill well-used. Of course it still exists, but often or mostly it's but a shadow of what it meant a generation or two ago. Not just nost

Re: [biofuel] Voices from the grave...

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
>Great quote. Only problem is that there is no record Caeser ever said it. > >http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm Inasmuch as Snopes is to be believed. >I've always preferred: > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >safety deserve neither liberty nor safety

Re: [biofuel] Voices from the grave...

2003-03-08 Thread Perry Jones
Huh! That must be the source for the Thomas Jefferson quote, which I'll have to paraphrase: He who would sacrifice liberty for security will have neither. Jefferson, for some of those patriots who might need to know, wrote the Declaration of Independence. Perry - Original Message - From:

Re: [biofuel] diesel

2003-03-08 Thread Paul Schwartz
I don't know how efficent it was, but the fuel was chosen to demonstrate that engines could be built to run lower grades of fuel. Paul - Original Message - From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] diesel > > Honda built a piston e

[biofuel] Bio fuel troubles

2003-03-08 Thread mkitchin6548
Hi Y'all, Say, if you are having bad results, remember these tips: 1. TRY to get the same type of oil from the same source. IF you cannot, then remember to throughly mix the raw waste oil so that you can accuratly measure the PH of the WHOLE batch 2. MAKE SURE your methanol is 99.5 pure 3. BE

Re: [biofuel] protest

2003-03-08 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 08:28 Subject: Re: [biofuel] protest > The old "people perform according to the level of their pay" theory is a bit > overly simplistic, a little moth worn at the edges and more consistent

Re: [biofuel] availability

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
John Hayes wrote: >Keith Addison wrote: > > >Hi John and Jon > > > >>Hi Jon- > >> > >>Welcome. With regard to the modification issue, it really breaks down to > >>a philosophical, moral, economic and technical choice whether you want > >>to run SVO (straight veg. oil) or Biodiesel. > >> > >> > >T

Re: [biofuel] VW Diesel Warranty exclusions!!

2003-03-08 Thread John Hayes
Steve Spence wrote: >legally, the warranty can only be voided if the claim was due to a fuel >related problem. > > e.g. if the fuel pump goes, you're screwed. But if the rear brake rotors fail, legally, they cannot refuse to service the car. But anyway, how are they gonna know you were runnin

Re: [biofuel] availability

2003-03-08 Thread John Hayes
Keith Addison wrote: >Hi John and Jon > >>Hi Jon- >> >>Welcome. With regard to the modification issue, it really breaks down to >>a philosophical, moral, economic and technical choice whether you want >>to run SVO (straight veg. oil) or Biodiesel. >> >> >Three choices >1. Mixing it >2. Straig

Re: [biofuel] Voices from the grave...

2003-03-08 Thread John Hayes
Great quote. Only problem is that there is no record Caeser ever said it. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm I've always preferred: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin in /Historical Review of P

Re: [biofuel] diesel

2003-03-08 Thread MH
> Honda built a piston engine that had incredible fuel efficiency, and ran on > 25 octane fuel, but it's design rpms where about 25,000 rpm. It was about > the size of a teapot and generated about 25 horsepower. Might not last too > long OTOH. Hi Paul, I wanted to ask you about this engine bu

Re: Affordable Oil Pump was Re: [biofuel] Drill Pump $4.86

2003-03-08 Thread Steve Spence
being able to submerge it is a plus, as pumps push better than they can pull. New LITTLE GIANT Model 3EN-12NYS. Can be either submerged or piped into 1/2" NPT inlet. Outlet 1/2" NPT. 500 GPH flow at 1 ft. head. Max. 17 ft. head. Sealed aluminum case. 115 volt AC, 3.2 amps. Size 4 1/2" x 6" x 5 1

Re: [biofuel] gasoline $3.29 / gallon

2003-03-08 Thread Steve Spence
Well, It was full serve, so I guess they got something . I would think there are laws against taking advantage of the customer like that. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [biofuel] protest

2003-03-08 Thread Appal Energy
The old "people perform according to the level of their pay" theory is a bit overly simplistic, a little moth worn at the edges and more consistently applied with a greater degree of accuracy to animals rather than humans (as if humans are not animals?). People behave more responsibly, exhibiting

RE: [biofuel] gasoline $3.29 / gallon

2003-03-08 Thread kirk
Do the customers get a kiss with that? Kirk -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:42 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] gasoline $3.29 / gallon Philadelphia PA, NBC News showed a video clip of a gas station somewh

Re: [biofuel] VW Diesel Warranty exclusions!!

2003-03-08 Thread Steve Spence
legally, the warranty can only be voided if the claim was due to a fuel related problem. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "mkitchin6548

[biofuel] gasoline $3.29 / gallon

2003-03-08 Thread Steve Spence
Philadelphia PA, NBC News showed a video clip of a gas station somewhere in California selling premium unleaded for $3.29 / gallon, didn't catch where. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EM

Re: [biofuel] protest

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Addison
John Hayes wrote: >Todd, I really value the helpful technical knowledge you bring to this >list. However, sometimes your political righteousness comes on a bit >strong. I know I'm gonna take heat for this from you and Keith and >maybe some others, but is there any chance you could tone it down

Very Casual Observation Re: [biofuel] protest

2003-03-08 Thread csakima
Just a very casual observation to laugh at. This mall's attitude about "only allowing certain belief's within it's doors" just hit me a "kinda like" our America's (the government's) attitude toward's the world. The "whole earth" ... being like a "privately OWNED" "mall" ... "owned" by the

Re: [biofuel] Re: How to heat a BD processor

2003-03-08 Thread Greg and April
Depends how it is configured, if the thermostat is rewired in the on position, or disconnected and wired to another thermostat ( a higher temp. ) it should work. Another type of aquarium heater ( a harder to find type ) is wired to an separate controller, this type is always on and must be turne

Re: [biofuel] protest

2003-03-08 Thread Greg and April
And as long as they are paid like they were working a McDonalds, your not going to get much better. Greg H. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 23:02 Subject: Re: [biofuel] protest > > Yes and these trained people would not make mistakes lik

Re: [biofuel] protest

2003-03-08 Thread Appal Energy
John, A "couple" of "points." 1) I'll say the same thing to you as I would to Steve, or Mr. Bush or John Kerry or the pope or God Almighty him (or her)self. When it comes down to principle, when it comes down to (quote) "morality" (unquote), when it comes down to ethics, lack of or manipulation

Re: [biofuel] protest

2003-03-08 Thread Appal Energy
Trained individuals make mistakes. In part due to lack of training. In part due to improper training. In part due to the demand of spontaneous decision making. In part due to percieved pressures to react in a specific manner. In part to real pressures to react in a specific manner. In part to the

Re: [biofuel] protest

2003-03-08 Thread Appal Energy
Which makes the matter even more horrifying. Previously and supposedly once competently "trained" personel in public places who make these types of spurious decisions? It's one thing to "try and make ends meet." It's all together another to try and make everyone else meet one's own ends. Todd Sw

Re: [biofuel] protest

2003-03-08 Thread vern_hendershott
Yes and these trained people would not make mistakes like the one under discussion. All to many are McDonald's rejects like the ones we suffered at airports for years. Vern