[biofuel] gooped on gop

2003-04-11 Thread bowlcole
I am currently making my second batch of biodeisel. I made a huge batch of goop, no separation, which I am guessing is too little lye. What I have learned that may be of use to some folks is that the lye was in the methanol and yet not in solution, (I use a venturi method to suck the me

[biofuel] Selling ethanol

2003-04-11 Thread Luke Smith
Hi, I an wondering if I make some ethanol how do I sell it? What does it sell for? Do I need a permit to produce and sell ethanol in the US spicifically around San Diego, Califorina? Is there a market to sell small quanities to start out? Just a college kid trying to figure it out, Luke Smith [

[biofuel] Goolie burner!

2003-04-11 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
Scrapyard welding project for next time you are bored... http://www.gas-turbines.com/thermojet/thermojet.htm Pull that Jetta up to the drums, hook up to the shaft, IGNITION... :-) Edward Beggs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Spo

Re: [Biofuel] "Smoking Gun" WMD Site in Iraq....

2003-04-11 Thread Andrew Preston
Iraqi people are deciding for themselves what is important to them right now. Rather seems to be food, water, and staying alive... http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=396051 ..And already America's army of "liberation" is beginning to seem an army of occupation. I

Re: [biofuel] Aid for Iraq......

2003-04-11 Thread Tom Tibbits
And rob child protective services of 85% of their funding to do it, Please. Bright Blessings, Kim eh?? how is anyone protecting children being robbed? t At 11:34 AM 4/10/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Let's hold the politicians to their promises of elping to rebuild iraq >www.jubil

Re: [Biofuel] "Smoking Gun" WMD Site in Iraq....

2003-04-11 Thread MH
No, it isn't. As anyone with half an open mind to read some of the links and documents posted on this group might see, WOMD was always the excuse for action, not the reason. For those who firmly feel that WOMD was a real, central and primary reason for the assault, then 'finding' the stuff c

Re: [Biofuel] "Smoking Gun" WMD Site in Iraq....

2003-04-11 Thread Andrew Preston
Re: And the reason is? Well, actually, I never saw a more succinct description than that from a cartoonist, Steve Bell... "This war is unspeakable. It's not about removing weapons of mass destruction, restoring human rights to Iraq, nor even about oil. It's being fought because America needs an

Re: [biofuel] Aid for Iraq......

2003-04-11 Thread Wood
NO lets make it 99%, modern day SS is all they are! Kim & Garth Travis wrote: > And rob child protective services of 85% of their funding to do it, Please. > Bright Blessings, > Kim > > > At 11:34 AM 4/10/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >>Let's hold the politicians to their promises of elping to reb

[biofuel] Fwd: An Energy Bill letter to Congress

2003-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
>Date: 10 Apr 2003 02:54:23 - >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: An Energy Bill letter to Congress > >Dear Senator or Member of the House of Representatives: > >I am writing to urge you to oppose the omnibus energy legislation. > >Our nation's energy plan should include

[biofuel] Fwd: Tech Museum Awards - Global Call for Nominations

2003-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
>From: "Amanda Widdoes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Tech Museum Awards - Global Call for Nominations >Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:04:35 -0700 > >The Tech Museum Awards is currently seeking nominations for >innovators around the world who are using technology to benefit >

Re: [biofuel] Aid for Iraq......

2003-04-11 Thread Kim & Garth Travis
The government agency called: child protective services needs it funding cut by 85%, ie: robbing their budget. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:14 PM 4/11/2003 +0100, you wrote: > And rob child protective services of 85% of their funding to do it, Please. > Bright Blessings, > Kim > > eh?? h

Re: [biofuel] Selling ethanol

2003-04-11 Thread Steve Spence
You need a small fuel producers permit from BATF see http://webconx.green-trust.org/ethanol.htm Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Luke

[biofuel] Re: DFID

2003-04-11 Thread Andrew Preston
You have an ongoing relationship and partnership with a government which has chosen to make war in defiance of the majority of UK citizens, and in defiance of the majority of the United Nations. The opinion of an executive from another large, government-funded aid agency does not add perspective.

[biofuel] US House of Reps Pass Drilling in ANWR

2003-04-11 Thread Appal Energy
House Endorses Drilling in Alaska Wildlife Refuge, Rejects Fuel Economy Measure The Associated WASHINGTON April 11 - The House on Thursday night endorsed oil drilling in an Alaska wildlife refuge, setting up a likely confrontation with the Senate as Congress struggles to produce a comprehens

RE: [biofuel] Selling ethanol

2003-04-11 Thread Bryan Brah
The small alcohol fuel producer (AFP) permit from BATF is free, but it only allows you to manufacture ethanol for your own use as a fuel. If you intend to sell the ethanol as a fuel you need an additional federal permit (not free). Ethanol sold as a fuel must be denatured (usually

[biofuel] Transportation statistics

2003-04-11 Thread Greg and April
Hey Keith, Have you found any statistics for usage of railer-trailers (sp?) in transporting goods? Greg H - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 07:42 Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: An Energy Bill letter to Congress > > > >Rememb

[biofuel] Re: gooped on gop

2003-04-11 Thread girl_mark_fire
hello maker of goo, (hopefully soon to be maker of fuel!) When you say goop, do you mean a semi-gel kind of substance, or is it still just unseparated oil? if it's a gel, my condolensces- you've got a massive runaway soap problem- there's a recipe on www.journeytoforever.org for making this m

[biofuel] unsubscribe

2003-04-11 Thread Mark Foltarz
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RE: [biofuel] "Smoking Gun" WMD Site in Iraq..

2003-04-11 Thread Crabb, David
> From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: "Smoking Gun" WMD Site in Iraq > >> > "Smoking Gun" WMD Site in Iraq Turns Out to Contain Pesticide >> > http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0407-09.htm >> > >> > NEAR NAJAF, Iraq - A facility near Baghdad that a US officer had said >> > m

RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 1505

2003-04-11 Thread Crabb, David
> > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:06:52 +0200 > From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Bringing democracy to Sweden > > >I would say that it is more difficult to bring "American >democracy" to Sweden, than to Iraq. The Swedes are too >honest and already too democratic, to be degraded to th

Re: [biofuel] unsubscribe

2003-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
A doubly empty message from Mark Foltarz. Two things: First, re "unsubscribe", you have to do that yourself. The unsubscribe address is listed twice in every message you receive: To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also in every message: Please do NOT send 'unsubscribe' messag

Re: [biofuel] Transportation statistics

2003-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Greg >Hey Keith, > >Have you found any statistics for usage of railer-trailers (sp?) in >transporting goods? > >Greg H I forwarded that message from fuelandfiber.com - Tim Castleman, and those are his figures. He unearthed them in the first place, though they've been discussed on the list q

RE: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden

2003-04-11 Thread Crabb, David
So taking the survey for what it is... 90% of all countries are either 'better' than Sweden or worse that the US... 10% off doesn't sound too shabby.. hardly all that bad, and certainly not "far closer" Thats like saying you have a VW Jetta that gets 55 mpg and I have a Automatic version tha

[biofuel] Fwd: Global Transformation of Energy Systems is Necessary and Feasible

2003-04-11 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
FYI Begin forwarded message: > From: Edward Beggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:00:34 AM America/Vancouver > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Fwd: Global Transformation of Energy Systems is Necessary and > Feasible > > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [biofuel] Transportation statistics

2003-04-11 Thread Greg and April
Something I saw on Tracks Ahead ( a railroading and model railroading show) the other day. Take a special built tractor trailer, back it up onto railroad tracks, and use the high powered air compressor ( on the tractor ) to lift the trailer higher up, at which point a set of rail road bogie wheel

Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden

2003-04-11 Thread Hakan Falk
MH, I expected to hear from you, after reading the links I gave you, especially if you looked at this document, http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2002/en/pdf/backone.pdf Human developing index If you go through it, you will find that the "Swedish democracy" is superior than the "American demo

Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden

2003-04-11 Thread Steve Spence
I would not consider a socialist country like Sweden to be superior to the USA. Swede's may not concur. Americans I know who have moved there, and Swedes that have moved here, both say that each has it's moments. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read

RE: [biofuel] Iraq - The statues fell...

2003-04-11 Thread Crabb, David
>Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:22:45 +0100 > From: "Andrew Preston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Iraq - The statues fell... > >Robert Fisk: UK "Independent" newspaper today.. > >http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=395707 Thanks for the link.. now atleast

Re: [biofuel] Selling ethanol

2003-04-11 Thread martin
Bryan, I was under the impression that if you got this permit, you could only produce ethanol on commercial land, not residential. Do you know if this is the case or [I hope] I'm just wrong? I've been drawing up plans for a constant distillation column .. I can't wait until I am out of school and

Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden

2003-04-11 Thread desertstallion
The Swedes also have a much more homogeneous population. Many of the difficulties in the U.S. come from the 'melting pot.' However, it is also one of the U.S.s strengths. But, if you are constantly bringing on board people with few recourses and who are poorly educated, it takes a bit to get th

RE: [biofuel] gooped on gop

2003-04-11 Thread Juan Boveda
You wrote: I am currently making my second batch of biodeisel. I made a huge batch of goop, no separation, which I am guessing is too little lye. What I have learned that may be of use to some folks is that the lye was in the methanol and yet not in solution, (I use a venturi method to

RE: [biofuel] Iraq - The statues fell...

2003-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
David Crabb wrote: > >Message: 10 > > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:22:45 +0100 > > From: "Andrew Preston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Iraq - The statues fell... > > > >Robert Fisk: UK "Independent" newspaper today.. > > > >http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=395707

Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden

2003-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
>I would not consider a socialist country like Sweden to be superior to the >USA. Swede's may not concur. Americans I know who have moved there, and >Swedes that have moved here, both say that each has it's moments. Aarghhh! You said the S-word! We'll all be murdered in our beds!! LOL! Keith

RE: [biofuel] Selling ethanol

2003-04-11 Thread Bryan Brah
I spent about three hours on the web pages of the U.S. Treasury Department, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, the Texas Alcohol Beverage Commission, the Travis County Tax Assessor/Collector Office, and the City of Austin. Then I spent about an hour on the phone with these

[biofuel] Swedish Ethanol

2003-04-11 Thread Bryan Brah
This ties somewhat to the ethanol thread, thus the title change. Aren’t distilled spirits extremely expensive in Sweden? I have a friend who traveled there and he said that Jack Daniels is like $40 USD for a fifth (750ml). It wasn’t just US products eithe

Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden

2003-04-11 Thread martin
What about the tax cuts benefitting the top percentage of individuals, tax loop-holes for off-shore corporations, oh.. and the $1,125 per taxpayer war? There are better ways to allocate money. This isn't about politics - Republicans and Democrats both allocate money for their friends. Ending s

RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 1505

2003-04-11 Thread Hakan Falk
Antidotes are issued individually in a risk situation. It is central stocking points maintained for possible risk assessments. Training in self administering of antidotes are made with salt solutions. Hakan At 01:52 PM 4/11/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:06:52 +0200

Re: [biofuel] Selling ethanol

2003-04-11 Thread Terry Wilhelm
ATF ( not their real name now) as far as the Fed's go, there is no requirement about having to be commerical property. Also, there are several methods for denaturing the alcohol besides gasoline. We agree that each state is different (Oregon distillers i.e. beverage is $100 per year). Most p

Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden

2003-04-11 Thread Hakan Falk
Steve, I think that you are repeating US propaganda with this socialist BS. Sweden is a democracy. During the last 60 years, mainly the social democrats (corresponding to US democrats) has been in government by free and fair elections. Some shorter periods they have not, I am not a social democr

Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden

2003-04-11 Thread Hakan Falk
Derek, Very balanced and fine comment, but wrong on one point. Sweden today is as much a melting pot as US. This because of a very liberal immigration politic during the last 60 years, starting with refugees from WWII. Much is done to integrate immigrants and a lot quite successful. This with a

RE: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden

2003-04-11 Thread Crabb, David
I agree. It's not salt solutions that were found with troops; therefore, they probably were not preparing for the need to have some water pumped into them, just in case they got too much sun. Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 00:30:10 +0200 From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Digest Nu

[biofuel] plastic containers

2003-04-11 Thread Dan Ross
Hi, Does #2 plastic hold sodium methoxide or does it eat the plastic up? What temperature does this plastic begin to melt? Thanks, Dan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ---

Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden

2003-04-11 Thread Appal Energy
Is that "Socialist" with a curled lip, or is that "socialist" as in a nation that takes care of its people rather than throwing them to the bottom feeders? In far more instances than not it's better than a representative democracy where anyone can be bought for a price - where "one man one vote"

RE: [biofuel] Selling ethanol

2003-04-11 Thread Terry Wilhelm
ATF form 5110.74 Alcohol Fuel Producers permit. Free. We supply one with every still that we sell. And dont forget about the Federal and State tax credits at the end of the year. Let me know if you need any additional help.Regards,Terry WilhelmThe Revenoor Co. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bryan Brah <[

[biofuel] Re: plastic containers

2003-04-11 Thread girl_mark_fire
Hi Dan, HDPE (which is I think #2 plastic) is great for methanol, lye, and sodium methoxide. I use it all the time for my methoxide mixer (a carboy jug)... Melting temps are higher than the process temp of biodiesel, that's all I can tell you. I think it's reasonably high. It should be easy

Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden

2003-04-11 Thread Doug Foskey
On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:19, you wrote: > Is that "Socialist" with a curled lip, or is that "socialist" as in a > nation that takes care of its people rather than throwing them to the > bottom feeders? > > In far more instances than not it's better than a representative democracy > where anyone can

[biofuel] where to get Methanol

2003-04-11 Thread oscoballoonoffice
Hi everyone I'm looking for a supplyer of methanol in Austria or nearby. What is the Price per Liter Ossi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get a FREE REFINANCE QUOTE - click here! http://us.click.yah

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: An Energy Bill letter to Congress

2003-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
>Date: 10 Apr 2003 02:54:23 - >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: An Energy Bill letter to Congress > >Dear Senator or Member of the House of Representatives: > >I am writing to urge you to oppose the omnibus energy legislation. > >Our nation's energy plan should include

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Tech Museum Awards - Global Call for Nominations

2003-04-11 Thread Keith Addison
>From: "Amanda Widdoes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Tech Museum Awards - Global Call for Nominations >Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:04:35 -0700 > >The Tech Museum Awards is currently seeking nominations for >innovators around the world who are using technology to benefit >