Re: [biofuels-biz] Small steps by GM

2003-05-16 Thread Brent S
Nothing new here. Cadalliac had an engine that ran on 4, 6, or 8 cylynders 20 years ago. I looked at a new dodge dakota with a 318 when they first came out. The dakota had a feul rating of 25 mpg. I just laughed and walked away. At that time I had a 1984 ford ranger that I put a 345 hp 350

Re: [biofuels-biz] Moderate Production System...

2003-05-16 Thread Appal Energy
Keith, Not to worry. The blueprint is in the offing. As there is but a slight that one being can offer, best to put data in a public place and let the fish play. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com

[biofuels-biz] Re: Moderate Production System...

2003-05-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Todd Keith, Not to worry. The blueprint is in the offing. As there is but a slight that one being can offer, best to put data in a public place and let the fish play. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy :-) Thankyou! What a sensible person. I think Ben and others might consider some more of

RE: [biofuels-biz] Website

2003-05-16 Thread Steven Helen Hobbs
Hi Sam, 80 years ago my Pa grew a paddock of oats to feed his organic tractors and now I'd like to do the same. To crop 1000 acres I need approximately 20,000 litres of dino diesel, and to crop 1500 acres I need 30,000 litres. To date, I have been achieving an extraction of about 30% oil,

[biofuels-biz] The energy non-crisis explained

2003-05-16 Thread Keith Addison
Interesting... written in 1999. http://www.pkarchive.org/crises/OilNonCrisis.html The energy non-crisis explained by Paul Krugman 2.1.99 SYNOPSIS: Will there be an energy crisis? Recently I picked up a book that predicts a long-term glut in the oil market. Potential oil reserves, the book

RE: [biofuels-biz] Website

2003-05-16 Thread Hakan
Hi Steven, A very nice web site, congratulations. Hakan At 10:47 PM 5/16/2003 +0930, you wrote: Hi Sam, 80 years ago my Pa grew a paddock of oats to feed his organic tractors and now I'd like to do the same. To crop 1000 acres I need approximately 20,000 litres of dino diesel, and to crop

RE: [biofuel] Wind Power -- a European Success Story

2003-05-16 Thread Kim Nguyen
Wind has its own unique set of pros and cons like everything else...and I see it as a vital component to a sustainable and balanced energy portfolio for the world. Unfortunately, wind's geographic distribution and intermency make it difficult to integrate into electrical grids whose cost and

RE: [biofuel] Wind Power -- a European Success Story

2003-05-16 Thread Kim Nguyen
Hakan, Wind/Solar-Hydro Integration is a big subject at DOE EREN (Peter Goldman)...but otherwise is getting ignored even by agencies like the one I work for. You are right but the contentious politics and costs of building large reservoirs is so high that pumped storage is nothing but a small

Re: [biofuel] White fumes

2003-05-16 Thread Appal Energy
White smoke is a visual sign of incomplete combustion. Generally where biodiesel is concerned, this is caused by either poorly dried fuel, or poorly converted fuel, meaning that the biodiesel is actually a mix of esters and glycerides, with a quotient of H2O. Todd Swearingen - Original

Re: [biofuel] glycerin buyers?

2003-05-16 Thread Appal Energy
Depends upon what you call large. Anything glycerin accumulating from over 50 gallons per week of biodiesel production should be given or sold to the nearest glycerin refiner, after FFA recovery, of course. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kim Nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Time in a bottle was Re: [biofuel] washing diesel

2003-05-16 Thread Appal Energy
People are still using kitchen blenders? Brings to mind the war time observationist thought process: What a perfectly good waste of a human (or blender). Blenders quickly rust, seize up and upon first use become perfectly useless relative to food processing. I'll take time in a bottle over

[biofuel] Need clearification and advice

2003-05-16 Thread Johnsson Tomas
Hello all We have been testing Alecs Fool Proof process and find it to work after several long and time consuming testings (adding lye/methanol several times and removing the glyrein). We have been trying to titrated the oil after the acid step but the results seems to be very unreliable as

Re: [biofuel] Need clearification and advice

2003-05-16 Thread Andreas W Ohnsorge
Tomas, I had a similar problem with WVO from a restaurant when I tried the foolproof recipe allthough it worked fine with virgin oil. I had some sort of success using the two stage acid based version with a recipe found in the following website (but it requires titrating AND determination of

Re: [biofuel] Need clearification and advice

2003-05-16 Thread mark schofield
Dear Tomas I have been using a dirty commercial kitchen oil, which when titrated with a 0.025M NaOH solution consumes 6.8cc before it reaches pH 8.5 via Phenolphthalein. The total NaOH for a small batch therefore is 6.8g per L plus 3.5g giving 10.3g per L oil. This seemed high but after Keiths

Re: [biofuel] washing diesel

2003-05-16 Thread mark schofield
Dear Gumpon How much H2SO4 are you adding - I have 97% here and 85% H3PO4 (Ortho-Phosphoric Acid). Regards Mark __ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: Time in a bottle was Re: [biofuel] washing diesel

2003-05-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Todd I don't think I agree with you about this. People are still using kitchen blenders? Brings to mind the war time observationist thought process: What a perfectly good waste of a human (or blender). Blenders quickly rust, seize up Never had either of those happen. The seals swell

Re: [biofuel] Need clearification and advice

2003-05-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Tomas Hello all We have been testing Alecs Fool Proof process and find it to work after several long and time consuming testings (adding lye/methanol several times and removing the glyrein). We have been trying to titrated the oil after the acid step but the results seems to be very

Re: [biofuel] Need clearification and advice

2003-05-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Mark You're doing single-stage and Tomas is asking about the acid-base two-stage process, different ballgame. Dear Tomas I have been using a dirty commercial kitchen oil, which when titrated with a 0.025M NaOH solution What's an 0.025M NaOH solution? Same as 0.1%? Have you seen this?

Re: [biofuel] washing diesel

2003-05-16 Thread gumpon
Dear Mark Not so much, just to make the washing water a little bid acidic. In my production of 100 liters biodiesel I use about 30 literes of washing water and add about 40 cc of 97% conc. sulfuric acid. You don't have to add acid in your second washing water. Regards mark schofield

Re: [biofuel] washing diesel

2003-05-16 Thread mark schofield
Dear Gumpon, OK, 100L of raw methyl ester plus 30L of water plus 0.04L 97% conc H2SO4 for the first was. Just 30L of regular tap water for the second and third wash? How long do you wash it for in the system you have developed and what does it look like once it has been washed? I'm trying to

Re: [biofuel] White fumes

2003-05-16 Thread Andy Lynn
I think we are all in agreement that white smoke is typically caused by either 1) water/coolant in the combustion chamber from either the fuel or coolant leak or 2) incomplete combustion of the fuel in the chamber In this case, with unheated straight vegoil (SVO), there is a good chance that the

Re: [biofuel] Re: glycerin buyers?

2003-05-16 Thread Andy Lynn
Keith, I have not made biodiesel myself, but have researched it a lot. Can you check my figures as to the available heat from the glycerin? Heat capacity of oil ~ 0.5 BTU/lb/F Heat of combustion ~ 12-14 BTU/gal (depending on which oil) Density of water ~ 8lb/gal Density of oil ~

[biofuel] The energy non-crisis explained

2003-05-16 Thread Keith Addison
Interesting... written in 1999. http://www.pkarchive.org/crises/OilNonCrisis.html The energy non-crisis explained by Paul Krugman 2.1.99 SYNOPSIS: Will there be an energy crisis? Recently I picked up a book that predicts a long-term glut in the oil market. Potential oil reserves, the book

RE: [biofuel] Wind Power -- a European Success Story

2003-05-16 Thread Bryan Brah
As Hakan has said storage of wind generated electricity will be the hardest problem to solve if we are to rely on it for our power needs. Currently electricity generated by wind comprises a small fraction of total MW's produced, so it can be easily absorbed into the current system. When wind

[biofuel] RE: [biofuels-biz] Website

2003-05-16 Thread Hakan
Hi Steven, A very nice web site, congratulations. Hakan At 10:47 PM 5/16/2003 +0930, you wrote: Hi Sam, 80 years ago my Pa grew a paddock of oats to feed his organic tractors and now I'd like to do the same. To crop 1000 acres I need approximately 20,000 litres of dino diesel, and to crop

[biofuel] white fumes

2003-05-16 Thread akowalkowski05
try 3% white spirits (turps) or similar added to your svo (well mixed in) before adding to your bought diesel. I've heard it works well. In this case, with unheated straight vegoil (SVO), there is a good chance that the higher viscosity of a 30%SVO mix is not allowing the complete combustion of

VS: [biofuel] Need clearification and advice

2003-05-16 Thread Johnsson Tomas
Hello Andreas The anwser on your question Could you please explain to me what you mean with adding lye/methanol several times and removing the glyrein? We started to add 3.5 g lye/methanol/litre oil the glycerin did not separate at that amount we added 0.75 g lye/methanol/litre methanol only

[biofuel] price of methanol

2003-05-16 Thread Stanley Baer
At the Methanex website they claim the price of methanol is $US 0.82 a gallon. Why can't a buy a 50 gal drum of the stuff for less than $115. stan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important

Re: [biofuel] price of methanol

2003-05-16 Thread Greg and April
IDKFS, but, I would be willing to bet, that the $0.82 is the bulk ( several hundred gal. ) price, and the cost of the drum ( returnable? ), and shipping, is not calculated in. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Stanley Baer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday,

Re: VS: [biofuel] Need clearification and advice

2003-05-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Tomas Thanks Keith for your info and clearifying the two stage process and the amounts of lye to be used. We have been testing Alecs two stage process at three diffreent occasions and we have followed the instructions very closely. The result with 3.1 g lye/ litre oil is not splitting the

Re: [biofuel] price of methanol

2003-05-16 Thread Martin
If you buy a tanker load of methanol, you can get it for $.82 a gallon Stanley Baer wrote: At the Methanex website they claim the price of methanol is $US 0.82 a gallon. Why can't a buy a 50 gal drum of the stuff for less than $115. stan -- -- Martin Klingensmith

Re: [biofuel] white fumes

2003-05-16 Thread Keith Addison
akowalkowski05 wrote: try 3% white spirits (turps) or similar added to your svo (well mixed in) before adding to your bought diesel. I've heard it works well. In this case, with unheated straight vegoil (SVO), there is a good chance that the higher viscosity of a 30%SVO mix is not allowing the

Re: [biofuel] price of methanol

2003-05-16 Thread Kim Nguyen
this brings up a point that others have raised...and that is if the small bio-diesel producer can somehow form an umbrella co-op type organization that has greater buying power so that potentially methanol can be purchased in bulk and distributed at a much lower rate than the current $2.00/gallon

Re: [biofuel] price of methanol

2003-05-16 Thread Brent S
I wish I could get it for $115/50 gallons...lol. Brent From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] price of methanol Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:22:09 -0400 If you buy a tanker load of methanol, you can get it for $.82 a

Re: [biofuel] price of methanol

2003-05-16 Thread Andy Lynn
So who all wants to go in on a tanker of MeOH? - Original Message - From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] price of methanol If you buy a tanker load of methanol, you can get it for $.82 a gallon Stanley

Re: [biofuel] price of methanol

2003-05-16 Thread Keith Addison
this brings up a point that others have raised...and that is if the small bio-diesel producer can somehow form an umbrella co-op type organization that has greater buying power so that potentially methanol can be purchased in bulk and distributed at a much lower rate than the current $2.00/gallon