Re: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort

2005-06-23 Thread Chris & Chuck McGuire
While you may have your finger on something important here, I don't > see why an electric fuel preheater and high pressure multi port fuel > injection couldn't solve the cold weather vaporization issue > completely. Unfortunately, those of us who live and work in cold climates do not always

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-23 Thread -------
To this thread, and by way of introduction, My name is Samuel Chapin. I live in California, which is at once U.S. and not at all the U.S. The nearest town is largely Hispanic, struggling to survive, and for the most part dependent on minimum wage. In spite of myself I couldnt live anywhere els

[Biofuel] Knowledge Of Nitrogen Transfer Between Plants And Beneficial Fungi Expands

2005-06-23 Thread r
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Re: [Biofuel] Bards of the Powerful

2005-06-23 Thread Chris
"much the same as the justifications given for the massive bush tax breaks to the wealthy and the corporations."   Would tax cuts for the poor have been better for the economy, and why? Or do you not agree with having cut taxes then period? I'm not disagreeing with you at all, i'd just like t

Re: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort

2005-06-23 Thread Greg Harbican
I seem to recall reading somewhere, that part of the problem of using "pure" alcohol, was a safety issue, with lack of a highly visible flame when it burns.According to the article was that the addition of aproximitly 15% gasoline made the mix burn with a flame that was visible in full daylight

[Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-23 Thread Adrian Machado Van Deusen
Title: Message Regarding ANOTHER longwinded article... "Environmentalism is dead. What's next?" SPEAK FOR YOURSELVES U.S.A... KYOTO TREATY PASSED WITH GUSTO! effectively declaring: CAPITALISM WILL NEVER BE THE SAME! sorry you're under the thumb of a dumb regime. too bad your masses have

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-23 Thread r
In any transaction, all parties entering in it should be coming out of it winners. In other words, it should be a win-win situation for all parties. The problem is, many transactions, if not all, which big corporations entered into with organizations of other countries, these foreign organiza

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-23 Thread capt3d
how well you have expressed this, hakan.  and this is the dliemna which i tried to describe, since on the one hand there is such a disconnect, as you so aptly put it.  yet, on the other hand far, far too many americans simply shrug at their lack of involvement, and lack of guilt over its consequenc

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-23 Thread Hakan Falk
Chris, I am laughing at the logic of it all. I have earlier told the list that I lived and worked one year in US and apart from that visiting around 60 times. When I lived in US and decided to move back to Europe, my American friends could not understand it, when I was a preferred person and

Re: [Biofuel] Bards of the Powerful

2005-06-23 Thread capt3d
In a message dated 6/23/05 2:24:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Some years ago China was actually admitting to a displaced rural population of 200 million >> yeah, kind of boggles the mind, the scale of demographics in that country. i remember hearing last year that china has a migrant la

Re: [Biofuel] Bards of the Powerful

2005-06-23 Thread capt3d
In a message dated 6/23/05 2:24:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << for the sake of technology transfer to the host country >> i'd never heard of that pretext. only ever heard it justified with talk of the 'obvious' benefits of the greater economic activity which these zones will allow. muc

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-23 Thread capt3d
hello doug, chris, hakan. worthwhile discussion (though i'm sure in no way unprecedented on these boards!). you make a good point, doug. but even when able to communicate directly with americans, foreigners are very often unable to get through the thick prejudices most americans have about th

Re: [Biofuel] Bards of the Powerful

2005-06-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Chris << Like making omelettes, don't you know. >> mmm-mm, and i love a good omelette! *sigh* :-) So do I, but the eggs are laid by happy chickens! And not all of them get omeletted, or fried, or tea-egged or whatever - there's a clutch of chicks chirping away in the next room, cute lit

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-23 Thread dwoodard
Non-American corporations are not any better than American corporations, but 1. in the past there have been more American corporations operating overseas. 2. the U.S. government has been pretty ruthless operating in the support of U.S. corporations, and to promote its Cold War objectives. The U.S

Re: [Biofuel] need offer/proposal

2005-06-23 Thread Norman Trieger
on 6/17/05 9:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dear friends, > > I am asking you to consider the following: > > Is it possible this site to provide me with technical advice and consulting on > biodiesel business starting now to operate. > > I personally wrote a business pla

Re: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort

2005-06-23 Thread capt3d
i suppose E85 would eliminate that problem, as suggested by another poster (was that you?). or a flex-/dual-fuel arrangement, such as in wvo-powered cars. a small reserve of E85 could be used in the first few minutes get things warmed up, and then switch over to pure ethanol. it also occurs

Re: [Biofuel] Bards of the Powerful

2005-06-23 Thread capt3d
thus the success of the special trade zones created under NAFTA. . . . In a message dated 6/23/05 12:19:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << or just any kind of fodder, people who'll do virtually anything at any price to get some food for their kids and are all too aware of the hundreds or thous

Re: [Biofuel] Bards of the Powerful

2005-06-23 Thread capt3d
In a message dated 6/23/05 12:19:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Like making omelettes, don't you know. >> mmm-mm, and i love a good omelette! *sigh* ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listin

RE: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort

2005-06-23 Thread RobT
Since it happens at around 140F, you'd have to keep the engine pretty warm to avoid the sudden vaporization. I don't recall it being a serious driveability problem, but the short exhaust emissions spike due to excess fuel might lead to problems meeting the latest and future US/EURO emissions stand

Re: [Biofuel] Bards of the Powerful

2005-06-23 Thread Keith Addison
In a message dated 6/23/05 2:09:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << mass poverty and hunger are the collateral damage of neoliberal "wealth creation" >> more like an essential ingredient in the process. anywhere you find people impoverished and marginalized in their own land, if they aren't

[Biofuel] Los Angeles Biodieseling

2005-06-23 Thread Richard Statter
Hi, I am new to LA and would love to get involved with a biodiesel collective. I drive a 3/4 ton truck that is available to haul wvo. If there is a group out there that would like one more engine in the fleet, please let me know. Thanks, Rich ___ Bio

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-23 Thread Hakan Falk
Chris, Doug's writing and references represent a clear overview of only a small part of American policies and relations to towards the global environment. It is a good explanation on why so many "hate Americans", which is in reality their representatives (political and business) squandering o

Re: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort

2005-06-23 Thread robert luis rabello
RobT wrote: The end result is a liquid puddle of alcohol in the intake manifold of a cold engine that all vaporizes suddenly as the engine warms up past a certain point. Difficult to calibrate for, and you end up with rich engine conditions, stumbling, and high emissions. I would think that ev

Re: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort

2005-06-23 Thread MH
> RobT wrote: > I worked as an engineer for the Ford / VW Joint Venture in Brazil about 10 > years ago, on the production cars running on pure alcohol (well, not really > pure -- about 96% ethanol / 4% water and junk). > > The cheap cars at the time ran single-point, throttle body injector systems

Re: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort

2005-06-23 Thread capt3d
couldn't this be readily solved by using a block warmer, or glow plugs? -chris In a message dated 6/23/05 8:49:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The end result is a liquid puddle of alcohol in the intake manifold of a cold engine that all vaporizes suddenly as the engine warms up past a certai

Re: [Biofuel] Bards of the Powerful

2005-06-23 Thread capt3d
In a message dated 6/23/05 2:09:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << mass poverty and hunger are the collateral damage of neoliberal "wealth creation" >> more like an essential ingredient in the process. anywhere you find people impoverished and marginalized in their own land, if they aren'

[Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Doug Very eloquent, nice. Mostly I agree, in some ways very much so, but I think you miss a couple of crucial points, and thus end up with the wrong conclusion. One is overpopulation, and the idea that real progress and constructive change necessarily involve population control. It's a

RE: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort

2005-06-23 Thread RobT
I worked as an engineer for the Ford / VW Joint Venture in Brazil about 10 years ago, on the production cars running on pure alcohol (well, not really pure -- about 96% ethanol / 4% water and junk). The cheap cars at the time ran single-point, throttle body injector systems. Even in warm weather,

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-23 Thread Chris
Doug, Excellent!! Its good to see something so clear-headed written on the subject, as opposed to, and I meant no offense, an earlier email along the lines of "I-hate-Americans".   I agree fully with a lot of what the article had to say, except that this slippery-slope talk makes a little

[Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-23 Thread dwoodard
It seems to me that this "environmentalism is dead" movement is setting up a straw man and then knocking it down. It defines environmentalism as a set of isolated responses to isolated symptoms, and then says that because the symptoms are not being cured, the response to them is futile. The soluti

Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump

2005-06-23 Thread Keith Addison
thanks ive tried to acess the site it just comes up no site found have you another address terry Long urls get broken into two lines in transmission, you have to copy and paste them into a word processor and join them up again. Here it is again: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/fuelfactshe

Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump

2005-06-23 Thread TerryWhyton
thanks ive tried to acess the site it just comes up no site found   have you another address terry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to For

Re: [Biofuel] Bards of the Powerful

2005-06-23 Thread Keith Addison
Ahoy Bob Hi All, Firstly thanks to John Hayes for clarifying what is involved accessing research sources (Posted under: "Nice teeth but your leg might have to come off"). On another tack, here's an interesting angle on the political impact of rock stars Bob. Monbiot's quite righ

Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump

2005-06-23 Thread Ralph Cutter
Go to http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/fuelfactsheets/standards_and_warranties.s htm and select Cummins ~R~ > while on the subect of fuel pumps and rubber i run a 1993 b5.9 cummins turbo > diesel ime just starting out on bio diesel,but remember reading somewhere a > statement that cummins do n