Todd,
Wow, excellent rant. It just melted one of those glaciers you slept under.
You win.
Game's over and now I will give you a bow.
On the lighter side:
Here's a link to Wisconsin Prof. Shakhashiri's "Science is Fun" home page.
It's a 'Chemical of the Week'->
http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemwee
Todd,
Is this your first rabbit hunt? Environmentalism does not exist in a black
and white world. Go beyond a 'feel-good' scope and you can see that there
are many variations and nuances in which an environmentalist can be
passionately in favor of one belief and another environmentalist can be
ra
Mr. Todd,
Please pull off your attack dogs.
1) Firstly, my reply to Don Johnston was simply to 'share' information
with him and others on the list, on a similar project.
2) Secondly, there is nothing mentioned in my post that said I was either
promoting or...criticizing the project. It was an F
>But back to reality. We in Portsmouth are building an Energy
> from Waste Plant to incinerate household waste. This plant will produce
> electricity ( to the grid- NOT LOCALLY ) and will also produce 30MW of
> waste heat for which so far there are absolutely no plans to utilise
> this 'fr
Darryl,
Thanks, it was very informative.
Ron B.
=
> While the U.S. were presumably glued to the VP candidate debate last
> night, the
> Canadian government produced its latest throne speech (which sets the
> legislative
> agenda for the Parliamentary s
Cool, I think if I just bite my lip for now on and don't get emotional
about Kerry in turn, things will simmer down. I once got in a battle about
some dumb opinions on a hobby with a person who only lived about 80 miles
away. It went on for a couple of days. Then I mentioned on the list I was
goin
Brian,
I'm sorry if I don't want to argue with you.
1) I snip so the threads aren't 10 kilometers long. I try to keep what is
relevent. If I screw up...my apologies.
2) Again, there is no apples to apples, no apples to oranges, no apples to
kiwi fruit. You are trying to make this into a fruitsta
Hakan and all,
I hope you don't mind, but I started a new thread.
I believe Hakan mentioned on another thread that hydro power (not
hydrogen) in Scandinavia makes up only 10%. I could be wrong, but I think
Hakan meant 10% of ENERGY.
Since Hydro dams produce as their primary product...electricity
Sorry, I'm not going to get baited on this one. Again, if you look at the
subject line, it says 'Kerry'. Oh by the way, what did you have for dinner
on June 16th, 2004? Even if you knew, it doesn't have any relevence, just
like your question below. Heh, heh.
Ron B.
===
Todd,
Here is my answer:
I am not condemning the original implementation of hydro dams. Then again,
I never said I condemned the building of the dams 60-70 years ago in my
original post.
But, what we now know, makes it a different story. If you had read the
links posted below, you will have seen
=
> So you're saying that only Senators who are running for President should
> be scrutinized? Or that any Senator who may eventually run for President
> should operate in some way that is somehow different with all other
> Senators? Where is your
>
> Or ask Ron what he would have done 50-70 years ago to bring electricity to
> a
> country?
>
> Come on Ron. What? Coal? Bunker C? Natural gas? Squirrels in cages?
=
Todd,
They are planning right now to build more dams and I'm not talking about
China->
http:
> Hey Ron?
>
> If you're going to sling crap, why not post the voting records of all 100
> senators and then snozzle at all the others that missed votes?
>
> Or would that be to contrary to your intent and purpose? To deride but one
> individual and create as negative a sentiment as possible based
>>>
>> Nader doesn't own a car. He takes public transportation.
>>
>> Ron B.
>
> He made the news last week when he was taking up two seats on a bus and
> wouldn't give one up to someone who was standing. Nice guy!
Really?
That does it...he's not getting my v
>
> Ron,
>
> Your argument does not hold water. LOL
>
==
Oooh that hurt. With a pun on top of it. LOL
==
>
> I do not know of "hydro for a big city", most of large hydro will
> distribute on a national grid. The existence of a nationa
Hi Peggy,
I was not referring to 'hydrogen' when I mention 'Hydro'. I was referring
to hydro-electric dams. Including them in the mix to boost one's
'friendly' renewable portfolio is disingenuous. It would be similar to the
utility companies saying that nuclear power is environmentally friendly
b
>
> Reading below --
>
> John Kerry on the environment:
> An exclusive Grist interview.
> By Amanda Griscom
> 23 Sep 2003
> http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2003/09/23/griscom-kerry/
>
> mentions his Harley, Mini Van and why, amoungst other things.
Lame argument or not...its true. Heh, heh.
Kerry does save money on commuter gas, though. He just doesn't show up for
work. Hmmm, bad record by not attending meetings and not showing up to
vote.
Ron B.
=
>
> talk about a lame argument
>
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Kerry has been a strong supporter of energy and environmental research
> throughout his public career and spoke at the first Earth Day
> conference in
> March 1970.
==
He drives a Suburban...give me a break. Too bad the Democrats couldn't get
someone else t
> Hi All,
>
> does the Carbon tax not level out playing field for renewable energy
> sources as will push forwards development and grants for projects.
>
> Here in Ireland we currently have to pay VAT @21% on all our plant
> (biomass and pellet heating systems) which makes the fossil alternative
>
> Russia to ratify Kyoto treaty
> Putin joins fight against climate change, leaving Bush
> isolated and US cut out of carbon trading market
> Paul Brown, environment correspondent
> Oct 1, 2004
> The Guardian
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,1317289,00.html
> Politicians,
> 1. "reserves until they are depleted"
> 2. "pollutants can be separated"
>
> Those two statements are greatly deserving of thought.
>
> Steve Spence
===
Actually in this case...not too bad. The coal is looked upon as if its not
going to be used anymore. So, if
> I wonder where he thinks they will get the hydrogen from, and how much
> he thinks folks will be willing to pay for it .
>
> Steve Spence
>
Steve,
If its the UK you are referring to, how about their unused inferior coal
reserves until they are deplet
Folks,
I was looking at the Massey Ferguson web site and was wondering if anyone
has run across the company saying it is alright for burning biodiesel in
their equipment?
Though MF is part of a larger company based in the US, I believe...the
tractors are manufactured in Canada, correct? Would an
> the top 5 percent of income earners will get more
> than half the tax cuts while the bottom half of Americans will receive
> less than 8 percent of the benefits.[1]
===
If that is all the data they are publishing, then they aren't telling the
whole story.
> Hey Keith,
>
> This is an interesting article. I've heard that DaimlerChrysler was going
> to introduce diesel engines in the Jeep Liberty, Grand Cherokee, & the
> Dodge Durango (or as I call it, the 'Derange-o") either in 2005 or 2006
> model year. I'm glad to know that my source was right on t
>
> M.P.,
>
> This show that, what is a "pipe dream" for the Americans, is a reality for
> the British. LOL
>
> Hakan
=
Now, now Hakan,
Don't laugh too soon.
Another phrase:
"This show ain't (is not) over yet!"
Keeping my grin to myself,
Ron B.
8~)
__
>
> One of my best friends is a US soldier who recently returned from Iraq.
> He is a soldier who volunteered to protect his country and was ordered to
> instead go fight an illegal war. He is not a murderer, thug or baby
> killer, and I would fight anyone who called him such.
>
> On the other ha
Hi Hakan,
Thanks for your reply, but Luc in a previous post (Why We Cannot Win),
mentioned it was the duty of a soldier to refuse to fight in an illegal
war.
BTW- Did you happen to visit Da Lat, where pine trees grow and the weather
is cool? Also, did you visit the villas and beaches of Vung Tau
> Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture
> destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with
> depleted
> uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what
> Israel has and is doing,
>
> Luc
=
Howdy Peggy,
Firstly, I would like to say that I didn't mean to be offensive about
regional differences in cost accounting. I should give notice when I make
a 'friendly' facetious remark. In fact, when I was a teenager many years
ago, I hung around at the local train depot where an elderly gentle
>
> Greetings All,
>
> I am preparing to build my first small scale plant and am wondering if
> thier are any small scale producers in the twin cites area and north
> toward brained/baxter that are using wvo as thier prime supply? I would
> like to talk/vist a working system wiether 30 or 300 gall
> Ron, can I ask where this new ethanol plant will be constructed and where
> you attended these meetings? Thanks. Jonathan.
==
The proposed plant is in Minnesota and the equity fund raising meetings
occur within a hundred miles from the proposed plant locatio
> Don,
> On the specs. I have available now (for Lupo 3L) it is 100% RME, but
> recall
> that it is the same for other models. In continental Europe (Germany,
> France , Austria, etc.) the common mix at the pump is B20, so B5 does not
> make any sense at all. UK is late in implementation and maybe
>From the original topic->
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The ultimate bidiesel workshop class
Keith's reply to my original rambunctious post->
Hi Ron
World center? Well, good luck, it's a nice goal and all, but not very
realistic, IMHO. Maybe you should just focus on doing as best you can
and addressin
Folks,
Iowa State University (USA) will host a biodiesel workshop conference the
end of October.
It is five days long and covers everything from start to finish.
Here is the link to the workshop class:
http://www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel/
Here is the link to the daily schedule of topics:
http:
Folks,
Corn = Maize
1 US gallon = 3.785 liters
1 USD today equals below:
0.56 GBP
1.28 CAD
0.82 EUR
1.41 AUD
--
Here are figures given to me by at a meeting for a proposed ethanol plant
the other evening. I gleaned them from my note taking.
In 1980, it cost $3.60-3.80 USD
>
> I have quotes from some of the big guys for
> what they consider a "Minimum" size turnkey ethanol plant, and the
> numbers are scary. The way I break it down, their quotes are around
> $4.50 - $5.00 per gallon of annual ethanol capacity. That translates to
> a small 5 million gallon/year dis
> Hey Ron,
>
> Are you aware of the impact that the FTA will have on our health system
> here??
==
Howdy Michael,
I suppose with any FTA, there is a lot of positives/negatives that can be
bantered about from every angle. I was thinking more in terms of
agricult
Folks,
An ethanol plant is being built in western Canada that will consume:
1) Hard Red Spring Wheat
2) Hard White Spring Wheat
3) Various Winter Wheat varieties (planted in autumn)
4) Durum Wheat (the pasta wheat)
Here is a link to a 2 page .pdf file promoting the new plant (with photos):
http:
> "We can provide small distilleries for total biomass processes. We have
> manufacturing facilities in Raymondville, Texas to build small reflux
> stills, fermentation vats, and heat exchangers, and we contract with
> other vendors for boilers for making steam and electricity for the
> distiller
Folks,
Corn = Maize
I happened to attend an investor prospectus meeting last night for the
proposed construction of a 50 million gallon (189 million liters) ethanol
plant last night. Actually, I attended the same meeting near my hometown
last week and felt I didn't take good enough notes, so I d
Folks,
Corn = Maize
Disclaimer: Milling perspective is from the US...as I see it.
Summary: Corn (maize) oil is priced too high (too much in demand) for
other markets than for fuel use.
My questionable analogy: Its like cutting down a beautiful fine grained
hardwood tree that would be perfect fo
>
> Thank you for posting that link. I enjoyed reading it.
> But I disagree with your conclusions. As nice as a new
> diesel is I am still going to keep my 23 year old audi
> diesel. Once you consider that I only have about $500
> into it not counting fuel or oil changes and that it
> gets 50 mpg
>
> Let's not forget that Mark Latham once referred to Bush as "the most
> dangerous
> and incompetent president in living memory"* although he has since toned
> down
> his language to appeal to a greater portion of the general public.
> Unfortunately I believe in any case that he supports the Fre
> The reason the government is promoting ethanol
> production is because of the farm lobby. In general
> the production of ethanol is an energy loss. The
> fossil fuels used to plow, fertilize, ferment and
> distill ethanol require the input of more energy than
> is obtained from the ethanol produ
> We here in upstate NY are heavy corn producers, but nobody told us we were
> supposed to irrigate. Must be the 40" of annual precipitation, of which
> 35"
> is snow ;-)
Regarding heavy production-> Heh, heh, but it depends on what the corn
(maize) is grown for...
Folks,
For Texas, a good starting point would be here:
http://county-tx.tamu.edu/
This lists all of the county extension offices in Texas.
The Home Page is here:
http://texasextension.tamu.edu/
I have worked a lot with extension offices in the past. Many times you
will get a person that is new
> I find it interesting that a number of states such as Minnesota,
> Iowa, Wisconsin, North & South Dakota, California, Nebraska to
> name few around the USA have introduced alternative biofuel
> such as ethanol into not only the government transportation mix
> but also to the public which ma
Folks,
I was wondering if our Australian friends can give a quick overview about
the two Australian candidates up for election next month?
Candidates for Prime Minister are John Howard and Mark Latham.
Possibly their views on:
Renewable fuels?
Environment?
Local coal mining and the export of coa
> i suspect that lots of Floridians are suddenly paying attention to the
> scientists who have been saying for a decade that unless the
> world cuts hydrocarbon emissions (think sign the Kyoto Accords
> that are being rejected by Bush and Congress) there would be
> increasingly violent, unusual we
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