http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous4.html#1511
2001/11/15
Technology and the poor
Technology, Poverty and the Future of the Developing World
-- from Human Development Report 2001 - ITDG response, Intermediate
Technology Development Group (now Practical Action), see Practical
Action
http://www.precaution.org/lib/09/prn_biohackers_unstitch_life.081227.htm
From: The Times (London, U.K.)
December 27, 2008
Biohackers attempt to unstitch the fabric of life
[Rachel's introduction: As we enter the new year, an astonishing new
social phenomenon has emerged: amateur genetic
Hi Chip
Keith Addison wrote:
Hi Peter
Hi Keith ;
I have made the point previously many times on-list that genetic
engineering is not the answer to anything and in fact it will kill
millions of people. This is one way.
Could be. I don't altogether agree with you though, I don't
Hi Peter
snip
Many thanks to moderator Keith, we are WAY off the thread.
You're welcome. :-)
Definitely off-thread yes, not just the topic itself, but also the
a-priori mode of reasoning, which may be a valid basis for discussion
of Christian theology but not for an assessment of technology,
Hi David and All ;
The reason I said it's a very
difficult problem is because it's a very difficult
problem.
My feeling is that the problem is made difficult to understand by the current
teachers of all persuasions who never clearly explain it. Perhaps they
themselves lack understanding.
http://diybio.org/blog/
DIYbio
DIYbio is an organization that aims to help make biology a worthwhile
pursuit for citizen scientists, amateur biologists, and DIY
biological engineers who value openness and safety. This will require
mechanisms for amateurs to increase their knowledge and skills,
Keith Addison wrote:
Hi Peter
Hi Keith ;
I have made the point previously many times on-list that genetic
engineering is not the answer to anything and in fact it will kill
millions of people. This is one way.
Could be. I don't altogether agree with you though, I don't think
Peter,
Guag Meister wrote:
[N]o offense at all intended David, but you seem to be asking a question and
not really expecting an answer. There is an answer. Find it. [...]
Some of the answers you seek are here, and in my previous email.
I appreciate the spirit of generosity which has
Hi David and All ;
Wow, I am impressed. I feel I have some answers for you, I will offer them up
if I may, the other folks on the list may not be ready to listen and
understand.
So here's the problem: If He had the powers you appear
to believe He had
(and that I believe He had), then why
Dear Peter,
Guag Meister wrote:
It seems to me [...] that there is no courage unless there is danger, no
faith without a context of doubt [...] (Although quite frankly this is only
part of the answer-- the outside surface of a great mystery-- since while
these things are true, they don't
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Amateurs are trying genetic engineering at home
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 2:53 AM
Hi All ;
In other words, it seems to me that anyone who really
believes this
should argue vociferously
Hi Peter
Hi Keith and All ;
Not much time to elaborate on this subject, and I am ok with your
views and mine.
Could this be the reason that almost all religious
leaders (and by
that I mean Jesus, Mohammad, Bhuddha, etc) shun
technology.
Do they? Jesus was a carpenter, what did he
Hi All ;
In other words, it seems to me that anyone who really
believes this
should argue vociferously against the infection of
democracy.
Yes and of course. My contention all along is that Democracy is not a stable
system. Witness our own experiment with it. With a huge and resource
Hi Keith and All ;
Not much time to elaborate on this subject, and I am ok with your views and
mine.
Could this be the reason that almost all religious
leaders (and by
that I mean Jesus, Mohammad, Bhuddha, etc) shun
technology.
Do they? Jesus was a carpenter, what did he use to cut
Hi Keith ;
I didn't see this post...
BR
Peter G.
--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Amateurs are trying genetic engineering at home
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Date: Sunday, December
Peter,
Guag Meister wrote:
Could this be the reason that almost all religious leaders... shun
technology[?]
Do they? Jesus was a carpenter, what did he use to cut wood [...]
If Jesus was who He said He was, then why couldn't He have invented
electricity? [...]Or ANY other
Hi Peter
Hi Keith ;
I have made the point previously many times on-list that genetic
engineering is not the answer to anything and in fact it will kill
millions of people. This is one way.
Could be. I don't altogether agree with you though, I don't think
genetic engineering should be
Peter,
Good to hear from you again...
Guag Meister wrote:
[...] So many times with technology we find that the last condition is worse
than the first. Extrapolating this out to its logical conclusion, we find
that all technology advances are bad. Could this be the reason that almost
The more powerful technology becomes, the less we can tolerate its misuse
by a few. The possibility of its misuse by a few can never be excluded,
especially in a complex society with an atomised society, and much
alienation and anomie. In such a society, powerful technology requires
large and
well, this is an interesting discussion! on the one hand, i agree
with keith that it's less about technology 'yes' vs. technology
'no' than about who is making that decision. yet for this very
reason, i also agree with peter and doug, because once you get a high
enough degree of centralization
Doug,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The more powerful technology becomes, the less we can tolerate its misuse
by a few. The possibility of its misuse by a few can never be excluded,
especially in a complex society with an atomised society, and much
alienation and anomie. In such a society,
Chris,
Chris Burck wrote:
[...] i also agree with peter and doug, because once you get a high enough
degree of centralization (in a society), the technologies that are pursued
become ever more rarified and removed from the human level.
With respect, I disagree. The clear and most
Hi Keith ;
I have made the point previously many times on-list that genetic engineering is
not the answer to anything and in fact it will kill millions of people. This
is one way.
So many times with technology we find that the last condition is worse than the
first. Extrapolating this out
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