Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-21 Thread Hakan Falk
Joe, I think that this idea was originally patented by the Italians, but the "Mafia patent" expired and it is now FFA (Free for all) and widely used by US. Hakan At 21:59 06/09/2005, you wrote: >"we are the younger brother looking up to the big >brother for protection against bullies," > >

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-08 Thread robert luis rabello
John I wrote: > I have identified a few waves in the nefarious Canadian assault on the > US: Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavine, Shania > Twain and the like. Oh it's on Canada, it's on! I guess you didn't hear about the Newfies who phoned up the White House to dec

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-08 Thread John I
> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:02:34 -0400 > From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-07 Thread Mike Weaver
I'd rather by shot by a fascist than shoot at a neighbor. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Would you be willing to be shot or hanged first? Given the typical >methods of authoritarian governments, that's the crucial question. > >In 1812 coercion was not necessary; propaganda alone sufficed. The >America

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-06 Thread robert luis rabello
Mike Weaver wrote: > In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms > against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. > Once the propaganda machine begins spewing its hate, bombs and bullets can follow. We've fought the Canadians before (and los

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-06 Thread dwoodard
Would you be willing to be shot or hanged first? Given the typical methods of authoritarian governments, that's the crucial question. In 1812 coercion was not necessary; propaganda alone sufficed. The American immigrants who made up most of the population of the Niagara peninsula found it hard to

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-06 Thread Mike Weaver
In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. Joe Street wrote: > >"we are the younger brother looking up to the big >brother for protection against bullies," > >ROFLMFAO So go to the biggest bully for pro

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-06 Thread Joe Street
"we are the younger brother looking up to the big brother for protection against bullies," ROFLMFAO So go to the biggest bully for protection is that it? Yeah I guess that has been tried before. Joe John Mullan wrote: Being Canadian myself (eh!) I have already accepted the fact that we

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-06 Thread John Mullan
Being Canadian myself (eh!) I have already accepted the fact that we are not a collection of provinces and territories. Rather, we are 13 states. What chance in hell would we ever have of defending against the good old U.S. of A. Don't get me wrong. I don't ever want our 2 countries to EVER hav

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-06 Thread Joe Street
You're assuming Canada has the bucks to replace lost aircraft.  Rather a naive assumption. LOL. The Canadian military is little more than a token peace keeping force.  I come from a family with a long history of military service and I hate to say it and I hope I am not offending anyone of Canad

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-04 Thread Mike Weaver
Just look at the Iran/Iraq war. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >no disrespect joe, but but you're assuming here that a given government >wouldn't replace the lost aircraft. rather a naive notion. high attrition >conflicts occur precisely because the opposing governments are determined to >carry o

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-09-04 Thread capt3d
no disrespect joe, but but you're assuming here that a given government wouldn't replace the lost aircraft. rather a naive notion. high attrition conflicts occur precisely because the opposing governments are determined to carry on fighting despite the losses. -chris b. In a message dated

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-30 Thread Mike Weaver
Don't laugh. Anything could happen under this regime. I personally will never ever take up arms against Canada but be don't surprised if you start to see Canada (surely our greatest friend in the world) demonized in the next 10 years as a pretext to invasion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >no dou

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-30 Thread Joe Street
Except the loss of a pilot is most likely accompanied by the loss of an aircraft so when they are all gone what good does it do to have a bunch of trained pilots standing around with nothing to fly?? Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >actually, from a strategic military standpoint, this is an extre

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-30 Thread Joe Street
LOL true we need someone to save us from a certain slow agonizing death in a hospital waiting room. A student of this university died recently after turning away from a huge waiting line with a case of viral meningitis. This is outrageous especially in a country where we pay so much tax. So muc

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-30 Thread capt3d
actually, from a strategic military standpoint, this is an extremely wise practice. in any high attrition conflict (read: protracted a/o bloody war), the human resources are depleted well before the hardware. trained pilots are about the most difficult personnel to replace and their loss rep

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-30 Thread capt3d
no doubt under the pretext of liberating the canadian people from the injustice of a universal health care system. -chris b. In a message dated 8/24/05 7:46:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Suppose Canada decides that it will demand (which is our right) what it wants for that oil?. . .How l

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-25 Thread robert luis rabello
Joe Street wrote: > Well perhaps if you live in the west where lumber supply is most > plentiful the situation is different. It wouldn't surprise me to learn > that the western provinces also keep the best wood and ship the crap to > the east since they have the attitude towards queens park t

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-25 Thread Joe Street
robert luis rabello wrote: Joe Street wrote: Really? When was the last time you bought lumber in Canada? I built a house with Canadian lumber just three years ago and did not see any of the problems you report. There are still a number of new homes going up in

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread robert luis rabello
Joe Street wrote: > Really? > > When was the last time you bought lumber in Canada? I built a house with Canadian lumber just three years ago and did not see any of the problems you report. There are still a number of new homes going up in my neighborhood, and I haven't noticed any

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Greg and April
From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 14:50 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program I admit I don't know the exact number of aircraft in readiness status, who does? They do some funky stuff that the a

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Redler
I referenced this in an earlier post but, I think it's relevent in this thread.   Mike _ "In 1993, the well-regarded military historian John Keegan published a book "The History of War" which gives a magisterial survey of this topic. In it he describes and analyses the development o

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread dwoodard
Unfortunately we are no longer part of the most powerful empire on earth. We will have to do something smarter than fight a war. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Joe Street wrote: > I admit I don't know the exact number of aircraft in readiness status, > who do

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Joe Street
e we have any chance of even bluffing our way through a conflict with the US? Get real. J Greg and April wrote: What number do you consider to be " the handful "? Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Joe Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: We

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Joe Street
Keith: You da man! Thanks for posting that.  It's the same old story of course; the US is perfectly willing to play by the rules, codes, agreements, laws so long as it meets their needs, otherwise they are quite willing to just say so what and do what they want. Maybe they WILL murder Chavez,

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Brian Rodgers
From a private forester (in the US) point of view I tend to agree. >Really? > >When was the last time you bought lumber in Canada? I have seen a >dramatic decline in the quality of product retailed in this country. >All the good lumber goes south and what is left is the warped twisted >board

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Greg and April
What number do you consider to be " the handful "? Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Joe Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:45 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program snip > Our military is laughable -our

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Keith Addison
>robert luis rabello wrote: > > > The trouble is, no ruling has EVER gone in favor of the U.S. with > >respect to softwood lumber, > > > >Really? > >When was the last time you bought lumber in Canada? I have seen a >dramatic decline in the quality of product retailed in this country. >All the

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Joe Street
robert luis rabello wrote: > The trouble is, no ruling has EVER gone in favor of the U.S. with >respect to softwood lumber, > Really? When was the last time you bought lumber in Canada? I have seen a dramatic decline in the quality of product retailed in this country. All the good

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread robert luis rabello
Joe Street wrote: > Yes too bad these 'deals' were worked out behind closed doors without > any public discourse eh? NAFTA is a joke. I remember having heated discussions about this with my Canadian father in law when I lived in California. NAFTA is a two edged sword whose economic b

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Joe Street
Yes too bad these 'deals' were worked out behind closed doors without any public discourse eh?  NAFTA is a joke. It is a matter of national shame and embarrasment that we allowed that to happen.  Why the hell we do not have a system of referendum on issues like the Swiss have I don't understand

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Joe Street
I know, I know..I just hope we won't have to kick their butts and burn their parliament again.after the last four times they tried to invade us you think they would have learned. Chris Lloyd wrote: Many Canadians have been wondering what will happen when the US sets

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread robert luis rabello
Garth & Kim Travis wrote: > Greetings, > Finally, you mean Canadians are waking up. All you Canadians need to do is examine the behavior of the U.S. government with respect to "free trade" in softwood lumber to get an inkling of what the future portends. The NAFTA agreement contains p

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Garth & Kim Travis
Greetings, Finally, you mean Canadians are waking up. My parents pointed out these facts to us as children, 3 or 4 decades ago. The US has invited Canada to join with them 4 times, that I am aware of. The last time being when Canada rescued diplomats in the middle east. I do remember the 'Th

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Chris Lloyd
> Many Canadians have been wondering what will happen when the US sets it's sights on Canadian resources. < As America already considers all of South America as in its (Sphere of influence) you don’t stand a snowballs chance in hell if America wants your oil it will take it. Just listen to Bushes

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Joe Street
No doubt mike and I share the same sentiments towards many great folks I have met from south of the border.  When I use terms like dumb americans etc I am painfully aware that much of Canadian culture and attitudes are shaped by the mostly american content on the television (amongst those who w

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread bob allen
Brian Ramsay wrote: > > > What I'd like to know is - What does a country sitting > on top of a sea of oil need with nuclear energy??? > In the fifties, the USA was "sitting on a sea of oil", and I believe we were the leading oil exporter, but we began the development of "peaceful use

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Joe Street
TarynToo wrote: > As long as profit and greed trump all other motives, > and the most heavily armed country in the world will take up arms for >the financial gain of its masters, every country has something to lose. > > > And something to fear. Many Canadians have been wondering what will

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Redler
By the way Joe,   I have some friends in Mississauga (spelling) who have a polka band and come down to visit. In addition I have some friends in Montreal (Canada?) who I also see regularly.   I have thoroughly enjoyed conversations with ALL of them regarding this and other, similar subjects. I was

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread TarynToo
On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:17 PM, Brian Ramsay wrote: > Think about it. If the price of oil keeps climbing, the more oil Iran > can sell means more $$ for them. If they are using their oil to run > their own country, they are missing out on some big money. Also, it > is good to diversify in ever

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Ramsay
What I'd like to know is - What does a country sittingon top of a sea of oil need with nuclear energy??? Think about it.  If the price of oil keeps climbing, the more oil Iran can sell means more $$ for them.  If they are using their oil to run their own country, they are missing out on some big

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Rodgers
I hope I am not the first to jump in head first on this one.  I know there are a lot of much more educated people than me here. Just the same, why shouldn't I spout off? I simply hope for PEACE. The UN will impose economic sanctions on Iran, if Iran doesn't stop playing with nuclear energy.

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread robert luis rabello
C. J. Thornton wrote: > What I'd like to know is - What does a country sitting > on top of a sea of oil need with nuclear energy??? A deterrent. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.mem

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread dwoodard
Iran has a relatively large population in proportion to its oil supplies. Going back well into the Shah's time it professed to be worried about eventually running out of oil, and was interested in using its oil resources to build up a "permanent" energy supply through nuclear power. Probably some

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Redler
Joe,   "...suppose everybody just folded their arms and said 'no'?"   Man! Don't do that. I just had to breath into a paper bag for the last ten minutes!   The potential of a movement can make the power of money insignificant.   "Still wouldn't that be a lark eh?"   Ah ha!! A Canuck! I should have

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread John Hayes
Chris Lloyd wrote: Why a war if it is only to remove the enrichment facilities, Israel just nipped across the border and blew up Iraq’s nuclear site. I’m sure a few missiles fire from off shore would do the job. But that does mean they would still control their own oil. Chris. After the Osi

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Chris Lloyd
Why a war if it is only to remove the enrichment facilities, Israel just nipped across the border and blew up Iraq’s nuclear site. I’m sure a few missiles fire from off shore would do the job. But that does mean they would still control their own oil.   Chris.       -- No virus

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Littrell
With China sitting on the Security council and being one of Iran''s biggest customers I wonder how far sanctions will get? Rick C. J. Thornton wrote: The UN will impose economic sanctions on Iran, if Iran doesn't stop playing with nuclear energy. One of these sanctions would be to stop th

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Joe Street
Hey Mike; What if they called a war and nobody showed?  The odd draft dodger is easy to deal with but suppose everybody just folded their arms and said '"no"? Trouble is joe average is too well indoctrinated to consider a little civil disobedience.  Where would they incarcerate them all?  Gitm

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Bud,   I guess anyone with a nuclear weapon doesn´t get attacked by the U.S. (see North Korea) or perhaps if your neighbor gets invaded for its oil you want a deterent so you won´t be attacked. Also it could be that if nuclear energy is good enough for China to increase their electric power

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Hakan Falk
C.J., It is obvious that Iran also have uranium to develop and why would they not be allowed to do so? US and the west would rather see Iran exporting the uranium, than using it. It is obvious that even peaceful use of nuclear energy, is a threat for the needs of US. Uranium is also a fossil res

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Redler
A lot of us could see the war with Iraq coming - even with the dog & pony show happening at the UN.   Now that US attention is turned toward Iran, there is even more chatter on the Internet about a pending war. However, with resources stretched to the limit and and an effective anti-recruitment mo

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Joe Street
C.J.; What the devil has oil to do with it?  (everything - I know) Perhaps they would like to save some oil or perhaps they would like to join the nuclear big boys club. Why doesn't Iran have just as much right to 'play with ' as you put it, nuclear energy as any other nation who has the capab

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread C. J. Thornton
The UN will impose economic sanctions on Iran, if Iran doesn't stop playing with nuclear energy. One of these sanctions would be to stop them from selling their oil on the world market. And since Iran is the 4th largest oil producer in the world, it would definitely affect the price of crude oil.

[Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-22 Thread Bud Eble
  "AUG 20:  Oil may rise above $75 a barrel in the next three months if the dispute over Iran’s nuclear programme causes the country to cut exports, said David Thurtell, head of commodity research at Commonwealth Bank of Australia. "   Read the rest at http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_