Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-20 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5242297-103690,00.html July 19, 2005, Guardian/UK Two-Thirds Believe London Bombings are Linked to Iraq War by Julian Glover Two-thirds of Britons believe there is a link between Tony Blair's decision to invade Iraq and the London bombings despite

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-19 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_18-7-2005_pg1_8 Daily Times Congressman says bomb Mecca if US attacked WASHINGTON: A Republican congressman said in a radio interview aired by a Florida station that if a multiple-city attack happened in the United States in the next 90 days,

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-19 Thread Mike Weaver
That oughta work - then the 99.9% of Muslims who are NOT terrorists will be mad at us... Keith Addison wrote: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_18-7-2005_pg1_8 Daily Times Congressman says bomb Mecca if US attacked WASHINGTON: A Republican congressman said in a radio

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-16 Thread Keith Addison
Hey Todd Awww Keith, Screw sweetness and light. We gots ourself a full fledged heat lighting storm blowing on a crystal clear night after no rain for thirty days. Sweetness is out the window. Light is abundant. Rain is what is needed. Yet all that is and what isn't can be lived without.

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-16 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9479.htm Love Me Tender By Chris Floyd 07/15/05 Moscow Times - - They were still scraping body parts out of the blasted carriages in the London Underground last week when the terrorists brazenly announced a harvest of blood fruits from their

Re: Bitch was Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-15 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, At 06:18 PM 7/14/2005, you wrote: As to Call Me Bitch? Worthwhile reading. Authored by? Todd Swearingen CALL ME BITCH by Clara Kern Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-15 Thread Appal Energy
Hellow Keith, Actually, the following was intended as a comment for general dispersal, directed more towards that have the habit of double standard, not directed to Hakan or anyone specific. But please, at least have the decency to leave the double standards and short circuits in your

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-15 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Todd Hellow Keith, Actually, the following was intended as a comment for general dispersal, directed more towards that have the habit of double standard, not directed to Hakan or anyone specific. But please, at least have the decency to leave the double standards and short circuits

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-15 Thread Appal Energy
Awww Keith, Screw sweetness and light. We gots ourself a full fledged heat lighting storm blowing on a crystal clear night after no rain for thirty days. Sweetness is out the window. Light is abundant. Rain is what is needed. Yet all that is and what isn't can be lived without. And so shall

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-14 Thread Keith Addison
Thanks for the encouragement, Mike. Kieth, Earlier, you mentioned how companies like Monsanto try to infiltrate groups like ours. In addition I'm sure that there are many emotionally driven and misguided individuals like Tim who are acting on their own. Yes, an endless trickle, Chinese

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-14 Thread Hakan Falk
2005 00:36:19 +0900 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Hello Tim Hi Keith: Keith Addison wrote: Lots of argument about what each person thinks their unimpeachable sources of information say

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-14 Thread Appal Energy
: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Hello Tim Hi Keith: Keith Addison wrote: Lots of argument about what each person thinks their unimpeachable sources of information say. Who are you quoting please? I can't find that word used in the discussions, let alone

Bitch was Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-14 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:36:19 +0900 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Hello Tim Hi Keith: Keith Addison wrote: Lots of argument about what each person thinks their unimpeachable sources

Re: Bitch was Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-14 Thread Appal Energy
with all this claptrap, no more prevarication. Huh, some hope. Keith Addison Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:36:19 +0900 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Hello Tim Hi Keith: Keith Addison

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-14 Thread Keith Addison
Whoa there Todd! I'm sure it's not double standards, Hakan just changed tracks. It's the same track as the argument over sacred cows (false sacred cows), or my saying things like Fine critters, cockroaches, and so on, the point being that too often in our disparaging comparisons of humans

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-13 Thread Keith Addison
this claptrap, no more prevarication. Huh, some hope. Keith Addison Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:36:19 +0900 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Hello Tim Hi Keith: Keith Addison wrote: Lots

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-13 Thread Michael Redler
Kieth, Earlier, you mentioned how companies like Monsanto try to infiltrate groups like ours. In addition I'm sure that there are many emotionally driven and misguided individualslike Tim who are acting on their own. In the past, I've mentioned (rhetorically) that we have strength in

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-11 Thread Doug Younker
- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh : : Doug, : : Amazing. : : Hitler would have been a guaranteed success as American talk show host

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-11 Thread TarynToo
First let me say that I believe that violence is almost never justified and that terrorism has never(?) served the political purposes it was intended for. I believe that terrorism is a crime, not an act of war. A heinous premeditated crime, but different only in scale from e.g. armed robbery

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-11 Thread Keith Addison
Greetings Taryn, welcome First let me say that I believe that violence is almost never justified and that terrorism has never(?) served the political purposes it was intended for. I believe that terrorism is a crime, not an act of war. A heinous premeditated crime, but different only in

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-11 Thread capt3d
them enough time to do so. Doug - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid : : Ryan, : : At 05:23 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: : snip : : What is the probability

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-11 Thread Mike Weaver
. best, -chris Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:02:15 -0400 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-10 Thread Hakan Falk
allows them enough time to do so. Doug - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid : : Ryan, : : At 05:23 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: : snip : : What

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
There is a reason he kisses the saudi representative, and holds his hand looking at flowers and kills Iraqis like ants... Ryan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
of my friends and family. Many of my family took a kind of, Eh (shoulder shrug) stance. Welcome to the United States of Apathy. Ryan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Tim Brodie
Hi Robert: robert luis rabello wrote: There has been plenty of discussion concerning the nature of the value systems undergirding the evil in our world. Have you been paying attention? What happened in London is yet another symptom of a far deeper problem. Sure. I was speaking

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
- Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Ryan, At 05:23 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: snip What is the probability thatthey

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
well said keith, I can't believe he gets around the whole world with this. Ryan - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Hi Hakan and all snip

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Tim Brodie
Hi Todd: Appal Energy wrote: Why would you find it "fascinating?" People build bombs. People blow up and never see their loved ones again. People get maimed, scarred and disfigured for life and perhaps never look at anything in the same fashion again, much less in a natural fashion.

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Tim Brodie
Hi Keith: Keith Addison wrote: Lots of argument about what each person thinks their unimpeachable sources of information say. Who are you quoting please? I can't find that word used in the discussions, let alone in that context. I'm guilty of reading between the lines. One group quotes

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Tim Brodie
Hi Kim: Kim Travis wrote: Actually I think Canada was hijacked long before Regan, it was Trudeau that did it. He took a strong independent country and put in all kinds of extravegant government services. He also patriated a constitution that stripped all the rights we had under english

Re[2]: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Todd, Amen and well said brother. Happy Happy, Gustl Saturday, 09 July, 2005, 22:20:29, you wrote: AE Tim Brodie, AE I find it fascinating that virtually nothing has been said in this forum AE about London. Lots of argument about what each person thinks AE their unimpeachable

question on desert storm was Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings Todd, While I was buried under a ton of philosophy books during desert storm, back in Canada, I have never heard the following: At 09:20 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: Granted, Kuwait was invaded. Granted, Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi oilfields. Granted, Iraq took no effort to

[Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Tim Hi Keith: Keith Addison wrote: Lots of argument about what each person thinks their unimpeachable sources of information say. Who are you quoting please? I can't find that word used in the discussions, let alone in that context. I'm guilty of reading between the lines.

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, I think we both missed the biggest change that happened during his reign, History was replaced with Social Studies. Now the people have no idea what has been done before or where they have been as a people. They are doomed to repeat it. sad. Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:40 AM

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh: Paul Harvey

2005-07-10 Thread the skapegoat
allowsthem enough time to do so.I think maybe all of us are hoping that very fervently.All bestKeithDoug - Original Message -From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <BIOFUEL@SUSTAINABLELISTS.ORG>Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:22 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism,

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Keith Addison
that you're shying away from with all this claptrap, no more prevarication. Huh, some hope. Keith Addison Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:36:19 +0900 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Hello Tim Hi

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-10 Thread Appal Energy
] It's imperialism, stupid : : Ryan, : : At 05:23 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: : snip : : What is the probability that : they would love and be grateful to the Americans? Why are the Americans : surprised, when the Iraqis do not love them? Is it not understandable that : some of the Iraqis want

Re: question on desert storm was Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Appal Energy
Kim, Will you please provide references for this? Granted, Kuwait was invaded. Granted, Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi oilfields. Granted, Iraq took no effort to resolve the issue diplomatically. Which part? I presume the former and the latter are rather uncontestable. So as to the

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Tim, It is amazing that the word terrorist is so often used without any valid definition. Too often it is a label on people who oppose a bully. With the way the label terrorist is used today, US is a product of terrorism against the English and French. During WWII, the poor Germans were

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Tim, I am a bit curious, how long have you lived in Sweden or maybe you are Swedish? Did you know that most of todays socialistic governance in Sweden, was modelled after US ideas and governance? What do you know of Napoleonic law, other than that the Hansa and Napolean system was the

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread robert luis rabello
Tim Brodie wrote: Sure. I was speaking specifically about the event of 7 7. Indeed, you were. And though you were correct in that nobody had specifically mentioned the events of last Thursday, we have discussed the overall milieu in which terrorist crimes breed MANY times in this

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
LOL! - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh Doug, Amazing. Hitler would have been a guaranteed success as American talk show host

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread capt3d
i'm far from convinced that it was al queda, or even arab/islamist terrorists of any stripe. -chris b. In a message dated 7/9/05 11:43:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I find it fascinating that virtually nothing has been said in this forum about London. Lots of argument about what each

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Hans Reuchlin
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Tim Brodie wrote: Sure. I was speaking specifically about the event of 7 7. Indeed, you were. And though you were correct in that nobody had specifically mentioned the events of last Thursday, we

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Appal Energy
Tim Brodie, The choice of the word fascinating was in reference to traffic on this list, not about the horror of the events of London. I think you'll find that most people on this list are rather well grounded and don't get too knotted up in sensationalism and table talk. As I mentioned,

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Greetings, I think we both missed the biggest change that happened during his reign, History was replaced with Social Studies. Now the people have no idea what has been done before

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Appal Energy
Rather tidy qualifier here Mr. Brodie, By all means we should look to fixing the causes, if it is legitimate for us to do so. Always nice to leave enough wiggle room as to justify irresponsibility. Would you care to give me 10:1 odds were I to guess as to who gets assigned to determine

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread capt3d
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Hi Hakan and all snip Here is the link to that respected talk show host. This is the entire transcript, all

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Ryan Hall
Hakan, The whole Bush propaganda, about WMD has in all its aspects been provento be without any substance. No WMDs or program to produce them have been found in Iraq. In UK this is a big scandal and Blair is suffering from it, but the Americans seems to be more tolerant about their government's

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
back in the '80s i started comparing the dual-party system here to choosing between coke and pepsi. with some satisfaction, i sometimes hear that same sentiment from others. i must admit, though, that while at first i was quite in favor of dean, my disappointment was short-lived once he got

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Tim Brodie
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Robert, Wouldn't it be nice if we could just trade passports, then I could vote against the nonsense that is going on in the states. Actually, when I was in France back in the 1980s, everyone assumed I was American because my French is so poor and All

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
intentional neglect, if you ask me. since the '70s the right wing (primarily) of the political establishment has been arguing that america's next great challenge was going to be terrorism. they dialed up this rehetoric considerably when reagan got ito office, and redoubled it after the

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Tim Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Robert, Wouldn't it be nice if we could just trade passports, then I could vote against the nonsense that is going on in the states. Actually, when I was in France back in the 1980s, everyone assumed I was American because my French is so poor

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
the u.s.a. allows dual-citizenship with a very few specific countries. -chris b. In a message dated 7/8/05 5:12:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frantz wrote: USA don't allow dual citizenship I am a dual citizen of the USA and Switzerland. As far as being citizen of the world, many of

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread robert luis rabello
Tim Brodie wrote: I find it fascinating that virtually nothing has been said in this forum about London. Lots of argument about what each person thinks their unimpeachable sources of information say. Nothing about the current event that demonstrates the face of this evil, and the nature of

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
o: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:34:14 -0500Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Greetings,I don't disagree, but Canada does so much of the US's dirty work, that anyone who is knowledgeable is going to tar Canada with the same brush. Good examples of what I am saying is th

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread capt3d
@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:06:11 -0700 (PDT)Subject: RE: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid "May 17 - The White House's top lawyer warned more than two years ago that U.S. officials could be prosecuted for "war crimes" as a result of new and unorthodox measures used by the Bush

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Garth Kim Travis
south of the border. all in all, you might call it u.s.a. light? ;^, -chris b. -Original Message- From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:34:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Greetings, I don't disagree

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Hakan Falk
Ryan, At 05:23 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: snip What is the probability that they would love and be grateful to the Americans? Why are the Americans surprised, when the Iraqis do not love them? Is it not understandable that some of the Iraqis want to kill Americans, how would you react in their

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Appal Energy
Tim Brodie, I find it fascinating that virtually nothing has been said in this forum about London. Lots of argument about what each person thinks their unimpeachable sources of information say. Nothing about the current event that demonstrates the face of this evil, and the nature of the

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-09 Thread Doug Younker
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid : : Ryan, : : At 05:23 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: : snip : : What is the probability that : they would love and be grateful to the Americans? Why are the Americans : surprised, when the Iraqis do not love them

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-09 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Hakan and all snip Here is the link to that respected talk show host. This is the entire transcript, all of what he said. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_070705/content/rush_is_r ight.guest.html I do not normally read or listen to him, because for me as a foreigner he is

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-09 Thread Keith Addison
- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid : : Ryan, : : At 05:23 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: : snip : : What is the probability that : they would love and be grateful

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Frantz DESPREZ
Hakan Falk a écrit : (...) WTC was the home for many foreign organizations and it was many citizens from other countries in the building. How many of the victims were actually real AMERICANS, at least before they died?

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Doug Younker
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid : NOWHERE in Mr. Noam Chomsky post is mentioned that over 2600 AMERICANS lost : their lives and did so on AMERICAN soil!! : : IMO you would have to be a total moron to even think that the terrorist

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Hakan Falk
Frantz, I have looked at several lists and if you look at the one you pointed to, it is some lack of definitions. If you look at from country and citizenship as an example. It is Indian sites that says the they had 43 victims, the English at 67 seems to be quite common. I gave up and do not

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Frantz DESPREZ
Hakan Falk a écrit : Frantz, I have looked at several lists and if you look at the one you pointed to, it is some lack of definitions. If you look at from country and citizenship as an example. It is Indian sites that says the they had 43 victims, the English at 67 seems to be quite common. I

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Keith Addison
. Best wishes Keith Jerry Turner - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid See also: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9394.htm Terror

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Michael Redler
Frantz wrote: "USA don't allow dual citizenship" I am a dual citizen of the USA and Switzerland. As far as being citizen of the world,many of us in this forum have already expressed our agreement on that vision.A thread on that can be found in the archives. MikeFrantz DESPREZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Michael Redler
have caused (list to long to mention ) the money they spend could rid the world of all poverty forever yanky go home was a cry that still applies Neil -Original Message-From: Michael Redler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 8 July 2005 9:35 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject

Re[2]: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Jerry, Thursday, 07 July, 2005, 18:16:39, you wrote: JT NOWHERE in Mr. Noam Chomsky post is mentioned that over 2600 JT AMERICANS lost their lives and did so on AMERICAN soil!! JT IMO you would have to be a total moron to even think that the JT terrorist would have been

Re[2]: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Frantz, The US does allow dual citizenship with conditions. Children born of US citizens abroad may have dual citizenship in the case of US service personnel at the very least. Jews may have dual citizenship no matter where they are born is my understanding. I know folks who have German

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Appal Energy
office, 9/11 would have never happenedyou know it and I know it. Jerry Turner - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid See also: http

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Frantz DESPREZ
Gustl Steiner-Zehender a écrit : Hallo Frantz, The US does allow dual citizenship with conditions. Children born of US citizens abroad may have dual citizenship in the case of US service personnel at the very least. Jews may have dual citizenship no matter where they are born is my

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Jill Mello
- From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Jerry Turner, Pull your head out of your back socket son and grab some fresh air, at least enough so as to start seeing straight

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Michael Redler
free people want to pursue life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not learning how to fly airplanesinto buildings. - RushBest regards,Jill Mello- Original Message - From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <BIOFUEL@SUSTAINABLELISTS.ORG>Sent: Friday, July 08, 200

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread robert luis rabello
Jerry Turner wrote: NOWHERE in Mr. Noam Chomsky post is mentioned that over 2600 AMERICANS lost their lives and did so on AMERICAN soil!! This is a tired argument. How many terrorist attacks have occurred in Canada? (Count them, it should tell you something important.) Has it ever

RE: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Chris Lloyd
Benladin and his lot that wreaked havoc upon NYC, not Iraq, stupid. I'm not even sure that he knew about the attack, I saw the first video he put out after 9/11 with the corrected voice over. He never claimed responsibility for himself or his terror groups. He did say he thought that America

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, Canada has had terrorist attacks, from its own people. Remember the FLQ? They kidnapped the Prime Ministers best friend in an attempt to break Canada into 2 countries. The emergency measures act is fully equal to the patriot act. And yes, it has been implemented in my lifetime.

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Appal Energy
- From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Jerry Turner, Pull your head out of your back socket son and grab some fresh air, at least enough so as to start seeing straight

Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Ryan Hall
Gustl, If we do not then our government and those supporting its actions are no better than those who did the deed on 9/11. It would seem we are worse still. They wanted revenge for something we did long ago, we want money. Furthermore, they took something like 4 hours to do their

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread robert luis rabello
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Canada has had terrorist attacks, from its own people. Remember the FLQ? They kidnapped the Prime Ministers best friend in an attempt to break Canada into 2 countries. The emergency measures act is fully equal to the patriot act. And yes, it has been

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Hakan Falk
of energy resource problem as US is facing today. Best regards, Jill Mello same to you. Hakan - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Jerry

Jill - Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Keith Addison
, not learning how to fly airplanes into buildings. - Rush Best regards, Jill Mello - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Jerry Turner, Pull your head out

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, I don't disagree, but Canada does so much of the US's dirty work, that anyone who is knowledgeable is going to tar Canada with the same brush. Good examples of what I am saying is the software developed by Canada for electronic tracking of persons and words and the latest nonsense

RE: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Michael Redler
Chris wrote: "Has anybody actually been convicted for being directly involved in the 9/11 attack..." "Of the 120 terrorism cases recorded on Findlaw, the major information source for legal cases of note, the initial major charges leveled have resulted in only two actual terrorism convictions

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings Robert, Wouldn't it be nice if we could just trade passports, then I could vote against the nonsense that is going on in the states. Actually, when I was in France back in the 1980s, everyone assumed I was American because my French is so poor and All Canadians spoke french. At

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Michael Redler
"I do believe it was Erasmus that was the original citizen of the world, too bad his ideas didn't lay a bigger egg that the one Luther hatched." Good point Kim. We have been effected by (infected with) the legacy of both Luther and Calvin. MAX WEBER ON RELIGION AND ECONOMIC

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread robert luis rabello
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Robert, Wouldn't it be nice if we could just trade passports, then I could vote against the nonsense that is going on in the states. I DO vote, Kim. For the first time in my life, during the last election, I held my nose and voted for a Democrat! The

Re: Jill - Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Bill Fenech
, Jill Mello - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Jerry Turner, Pull your head out of your back socket son and grab some fresh

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Jerry Turner
...struck a nerve did I. :) Okay, mission accomplished :) :):) Jerry Turner - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Jill, Should you

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Appal Energy
, July 08, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Jill, Should you be able to rationalize within some degree of reason how Mr. Turner's remarks were not due to lack of and disjointed reasoning, and how the malodorous stink generated by such ill ferment is spread to the four

Re: Jill - Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Keith Addison
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Jerry Turner, Pull your head out of your back socket son and grab some fresh air, at least enough so as to start seeing straight instead of being asphyxiated by your own

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread RobertCVA
Jill, I think your lengthy posting about the content of this list was well-intentioned, but as a number of responses have indicated, problematic for some of us. Just a few things I wanted to point out. Regarding your statement that "Baghdad, for the past 30 [1975-2005] years, was THE

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Keith Addison
11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Jill, Should you be able to rationalize within some degree of reason how Mr. Turner's remarks were not due to lack of and disjointed reasoning, and how the malodorous stink generated by such ill ferment is spread to the four winds as seed

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-08 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, The last election that I was able to vote in was in 1988. The last time I contacted a Senator to complain about a policy being put in place, I was told that this is not my country and that if I didn't like it I could go back where I came from. I have 4 more years to go before I

[Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-07 Thread Keith Addison
See also: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9394.htm Terror Attacks Near 3,200 in 2004 Count http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9387.htm It's imperialism, stupid By Noam Chomsky 07/05/05 ICH - - IN his June 28 speech, President Bush asserted that the invasion

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-07 Thread Michael Redler
Thanks Kieth.After reading the article by Naom Chomsky, Two things stood out in my mind and two statements keep me from forgetting them. "That (the existence of WMD's) was the "single question," as stressed constantly by Bush, Prime Minister Blair and associates. It was also the sole basis on

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-07 Thread Ryan Hall
Michael As an American citizen, I must believe that there are people in the world who understand that not all Americans stand by this president and that there is a difference between a people and its government There are quite a few of us out there. The problem is that many of the people

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