Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)

2005-07-22 Thread capt3d
robert, that's cool as hayil! thanks for passing that along. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytofore

Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)

2005-07-22 Thread robert luis rabello
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this *homebrew* wturbine reportedly withstands 60+ mph winds. i can't see how even stronger ones couldn't be made. i have my own idea of how it could be done. . . . Then I've misunderstood something, Chris. I followed the link and went to the wind turbine secti

Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)

2005-07-22 Thread capt3d
this *homebrew* wturbine reportedly withstands 60+ mph winds. i can't see how even stronger ones couldn't be made. i have my own idea of how it could be done. . . . -chris b. In a message dated 7/22/05 6:21:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Power increases to the CUBE of wind velocity. T

Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)

2005-07-22 Thread robert luis rabello
Kirk McLoren wrote: Wasn't clear to me what the specs are but they did allude to 30mph full output. An 80+ wind is going to produce lots more force. Power increases to the CUBE of wind velocity. Twice the windspeed = 8 times the power. A hurricane would likely shred an AIR turbine. I lik

Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)

2005-07-22 Thread Kirk McLoren
Wasn't clear to me what the specs are but they did allude to 30mph full output. An 80+ wind is going to produce lots more force.   Kirkr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have found an wind turbine that I can use during a hurricane: the CET Air X Wind Turbine from Cetsolar.com.  I'm certainly not going

Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)

2005-07-22 Thread r
I have found an wind turbine that I can use during a hurricane: the CET Air X Wind Turbine from Cetsolar.com.  I'm certainly not going to harvest all of the hurricane's power (even if was possible) but it will be something that I can leave out in the wind and not worry about it in the event of

Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)

2005-07-21 Thread Kirk McLoren
Biofuels are probably cheaper than petro. When you include the costs of the military in a barrel of mideast oil the real cost is not the quoted one.   The environmental costs are real as well. Unfortunately they are paid in sickness and reduced life -- and usually by the poorest members of humanit

Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)

2005-07-21 Thread capt3d
no argument here. but that wasn't the point. yet at the same time, it was. i mean, if we were to let such considerations determine our actions--let alone what we are willing to think or imagine--we wouldn't all be on this list, would we? ;›) cheers, -chris b. on 7/21/05 6:21 PM, Kirk McLo

[Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)

2005-07-21 Thread Ken Provost
on 7/21/05 6:21 PM, Kirk McLoren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The machine to harvest the energy is a capital investment and when you > consider the utilization factor the cost of the harvested energy is not > competitive. "Payback period is the most widely used measure for evaluating potenti