: "Jonathan Dunlap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
> Hey man If you can get it to work Then you will be Okay! I would
not worry about Mr. Bush anyway!
>
> Jonathan
>
>
Hey man If you can get it to work Then you will be Okay! I would not
worry about Mr. Bush anyway!
Jonathan
MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Does anyone how this would effect hydrogen
in Mr. Bush's FreedomCAR program?
> Steve Spence wrote:
> Hydrogen isn't, and won't be "anything that wi
Does anyone how this would effect hydrogen
in Mr. Bush's FreedomCAR program?
> Steve Spence wrote:
> Hydrogen isn't, and won't be "anything that will help us save our Earth."
> That's the whole point these folks are missing. It's not that it can't be
> done,
> it's that it shouldn't be done
LOL... Okay... Baby steps. We have to start somewhere!
Jonathan
Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Oct 11, 2004, at 8:59 AM, Jonathan Dunlap wrote:
> Okay... Thanks for your input. I'm still open for anything that will
> help us
> save our Earth.
Good luck! Let's start by gett
On Oct 11, 2004, at 8:59 AM, Jonathan Dunlap wrote:
Okay... Thanks for your input. I'm still open for anything that will
help us
save our Earth.
Good luck! Let's start by getting world population down to about
500 million, then limiting reproduction to 1 child per person.
Then dismant
> same solar panels(or more) and hydrogen unit and then stock the hydrogen
> tanks of the truck, still equiped with it's own system, wouldn't that make
> it run just like any other ?
>
> Luc
> - Original Message -
> From: "MH"
> To:
> Sent: Sun
e) and hydrogen unit and then stock the hydrogen
> tanks of the truck, still equiped with it's own system, wouldn't that make
> it run just like any other ?
>
> Luc
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> From: "MH"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:24 PM
Here's another scenario that could eliminate that conclusion or at least
aleviate it (maybe?)
Should one's home already be off-grid (as yours is) but running a solar
system, wouldn't it be feasible top simply detour a portion of that
prodcued energy to a hydrogen capacitor of some sort and th
?
I know nothing of these things and these are just ideas that sem to make
sense, so please feel free to wade in and correct me.
Luc
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
> They will soon realize that the expendi
Yes, but if one were to set up a hydrogen system at one's home using the
same solar panels(or more) and hydrogen unit and then stock the hydrogen
tanks of the truck, still equiped with it's own system, wouldn't that
make it run just like any other ?
Luc
The whole point of the project is
? Kinda putting an laready existing sytem to double use ?
I know nothing of these things and these are just ideas that sem to make
sense, so please feel free to wade in and correct me.
Luc
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To:
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar H
1, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
They will soon realize that the expenditure in solar equipment to make
that vehicle go more than a few miles will cost much more than anyone will
want to pay. Seems silly to spend 100x as much on solar panels (not
including the fuel cell costs) th
It is nice to see technical students work with projects,
but the importance, description and conclusions of this
project are more damaging publicity than anything real
information.
The same project or similar have been done many times
during the last 100 years and the following comment
are misle
t that make
it run just like any other ?
Luc
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From: "MH"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
> US FreedomTruck --
>
>
> Powered by sunlight
> Student project leaps into future
> Bob Golfen
> The A
it's own system, wouldn't that make
it run just like any other ?
Luc
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From: "MH"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
> US FreedomTruck --
>
>
> Powered by sunlight
> Student project le
Thanks for the article!
Jonathan
MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
US FreedomTruck --
Powered by sunlight
Student project leaps into future
Bob Golfen
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 1, 2004 12:00 AM
The ungainly looking Chevy pickup parked in the courtyard at
Central High School, with a huge set o
day, October 10, 2004 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
US FreedomTruck --
Powered by sunlight
Student project leaps into future
Bob Golfen
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 1, 2004 12:00 AM
The ungainly looking Chevy pickup parked in the courtyard at
Central High School, with a huge set of
US FreedomTruck --
Powered by sunlight
Student project leaps into future
Bob Golfen
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 1, 2004 12:00 AM
The ungainly looking Chevy pickup parked in the courtyard at
Central High School, with a huge set of solar panels mounted
on top, may not look so futuristic
> > M.P.Singh wrote:
> > I correct myself. The Us gallon is different from the British one.At 3.79
> > litres to a gallon 78.45 mpg is correct. Which is 94.51 miles/british
> > gallons.
> John Hayes wrote:
> Yup. 3L/100km equals 78.39 mpg (US) and 94.16 mpg (Imp). Of course, I
> didn't do any m
I correct myself. The Us gallon is different from the British one.At 3.79
litres to a gallon 78.45 mpg is correct. Which is 94.51 miles/british
gallons.
Yup. 3L/100km equals 78.39 mpg (US) and 94.16 mpg (Imp). Of course, I
didn't do any math. :) I just used the conversion form at:
http://ww
>
> M.P.,
>
> This show that, what is a "pipe dream" for the Americans, is a reality for
> the British. LOL
>
> Hakan
=
Now, now Hakan,
Don't laugh too soon.
Another phrase:
"This show ain't (is not) over yet!"
Keeping my grin to myself,
Ron B.
8~)
__
sh
gallons.
M.P. Singh
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From: "M.P.Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:46 AM
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> Everyone seems to be poor in maths, let me give it a try
> If what you s
ptember 30, 2004 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
> Everyone seems to be poor in maths, let me give it a try
> If what you say is correct i.e.
> 100 km = 62 miles
> 3.78 liters is .79 gallons
> Then 1 mile = 1.61 km
> and 1gallon = 4.78 litres
> therefore, 100k
So if the conversion provided by you is correct, then 100 km/3L and 100 mpg
are nearly comparable
Best wishes
M.P. Singh
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Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:15 PM
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We use Km/l in India. How many litres are there in a gallon?
M.P.Singh
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From: "Tomas Juknevicius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
> Wou , wou
> Steve Spence wrote:
> One of us didn't do our math correctly.
>
> 100 km = 62 miles
> 3.78 liters is .79 gallons
>
> .79 * 1.27 = 1.0033 gallons
> 62 * 1.27 = 78.12 miles.
>
> Yep, it was me. Somehow I came up with 65 mpg, not 78.
> Oops. Sorry. Still not available in the US As far as I can
Well, we do have a few more diesel models to choose from next year (Jeep
Liberty CRD is one) than we did last year, so I'm optomistic that diesel
penetration is on the rise. Diesel trucks are very popular over here. Ford, GM,
and Chrysler all offer diesel pickup/van models. One major reason tha
Steve,
Now when the close to the admirable development target is solved, I do want
to comment on he availability in US. My proposal was that the admirable
development target was already achieved in a production line car and
already sold and used by many on the street. That this case is a Euro
yes, I realized that, and corrected myself in another post.
= = = Original message = = =
Wou , wou wou,
Unless you use different miles or gallons, Steve, the 3liter /100 km
translates to 78 miles/gallon
pretty close to 80mpg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, that's only 65 mpg, not 80, so it
One of us didn't do our math correctly.
100 km = 62 miles
3.78 liters is .79 gallons
.79 * 1.27 = 1.0033 gallons
62 * 1.27 = 78.12 miles.
Yep, it was me. Somehow I came up with 65 mpg, not 78. Oops. Sorry. Still not
available in the US As far as I can tell.
= = = Original message = = =
> St
Wou , wou wou,
Unless you use different miles or gallons, Steve, the 3liter /100 km
translates to 78 miles/gallon
pretty close to 80mpg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, that's only 65 mpg, not 80, so it's not admirable, but doable. However,
> the Lupo isn't available here in the states, so t
> Steve,
>
> The VW Lupo 3L is a 4 passenger diesel car for around $11k, that is doing
> 100 km on 3 litre, so the admirable target can already be bought. It is a
> nice car and fast enough to get hefty speeding tickets in the US. I tried
> and like it, will buy one when I sell my Nissan estate d
Well, that's only 65 mpg, not 80, so it's not admirable, but doable. However,
the Lupo isn't available here in the states, so the Jetta/Beetle is the best we
can get at the moment.
= = = Original message = = =
Steve,
The VW Lupo 3L is a 4 passenger diesel car for around $11k, that is doing
1
Steve,
The VW Lupo 3L is a 4 passenger diesel car for around $11k, that is doing
100 km on 3 litre, so the admirable target can already be bought. It is a
nice car and fast enough to get hefty speeding tickets in the US. I tried
and like it, will buy one when I sell my Nissan estate diesel.
If Iceland has no ability to produce a fuel (their growing season and climate
isn't ideal for biofuels), and if they can generate electricity in a clean
renewable manner, electrolyse hydrogen, compress it, and run vehicles on it, at
a cost that won't bankrupt the citizen or the country, than by
> Steve Spence wrote:
> It's my belief that "Cd 0.26, 0-60 mph in 8.2 s, 114 mpg-equivalent
> with fuel cell)." is unmitigated bull fertilizer. I would really
> like to see their calculations proving that "114 mpg-equivalent" .
>
> It would be fun to compare a 50 mpg biofueled (at $3 / GGE) v
arbon fiber, 290 kg, Cd 0.159, 8.5 hp, 74 mph, 238 mpg).
(A 1990 carbon/aramid 2-seat Swiss electric car weighed just 230 kg without
batteries.)
*With photos and footnotes.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[E
gt; > From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:01 AM
> > Subject: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
> >
> > Solar hydrogen - energy of the future
> > 26 August 2004
> > http://
At $10 / GGE equivalent, I just bet buyers will be lining up to get their
fill ...
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:01 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
Solar hydrogen - en
Solar hydrogen - energy of the future
26 August 2004
http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/adv/articles/2004/aug/Solar_hydrogen.html
"A team of Australian scientists predicts that a revolutionary new way to
harness
the power of the sun to extract clean and almost unlimited energy supplies from
wa
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