Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-07 Thread garutek
time and with the type of directions that I really like. Gary - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions Hi Darryl;Sorry for the confusion.  The

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Joe >Keith; > >Well thanks for your kind words r.e. my penchant for sharing info. :-) Not just kind, it's most important, IMHO. There are those that just take, plenty of them, but I don't think it matters and nor do they, just as long as other people go on sharing, which is what real hum

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-06 Thread Joe Street
Keith; Well thanks for your kind words r.e. my penchant for sharing info.  I got to tell you it warmed a corner in my little pinko commieluver heart to hear it. I guess that proves what I suspected all along, that there is a reason for people to strive other than material or monetary gain.  Ca

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Joe >Hi Keith; > >Best wishes for the new year Thankyou, and to you and all. >and thanks for your tireless (seemingly) effort around here. You're most welcome, thanks again. In truth I haven't had much time for the list recently, we've been rushed off our feet for the last four months, eve

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-05 Thread Joe Street
Hi Keith; Best wishes for the new year and thanks for your tireless (seemingly) effort around here. I hope it doesn't look like I am implying a good titration can't be done without going to this length.  That is not the case. I just wanted to share the idea incase anyone else wanted to give it

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-05 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Joe Pardon the snip... >I found that my success depended a lot on how careful I was with the >titration step. Also I found that when the 0.1% base solution was >added there was a tendancy for some oil to drop out and I think this >affected my accuracy. I built a stirrer to keep the l

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-04 Thread Appal Energy
e quality wash was a 250ml soda >> bottle. I went back and had a look at it again yesterday and the 5cm >> layer is now almost none existent….so I guess going back to my >> original question is would this be ok to wash, dry and use? >> >> Cheers >> >> Darryl >> >> ---

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-04 Thread Joe Street
sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions   Todd; With all due respect, I think you missed my point.  I agree that we should strive for a paper thin interface, ( and I find it is easily achievable with experience) but when you put information out there lik

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-04 Thread Joe Street
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:56 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions   Todd; With all due respect, I think you missed my point.  I agree that we

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-04 Thread Joe Street
Ok you win Todd Appal Energy wrote: With all due respect Joe, nothing was missed in the slightest. But if you wish to beat a dead horse, by all means feel free to do so. The preference here is not to adhere to fall back positions of "acceptability" until absolutely necessary. ("Afte

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Keith Addison
y was, and nothing about how you processed it. But please don't bother - just go back to the beginning and start again in the right place. Best wishes Keith >Cheers > > > >Darryl > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe S

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Appal Energy
With all due respect Joe, nothing was missed in the slightest. But if you wish to beat a dead horse, by all means feel free to do so. The preference here is not to adhere to fall back positions of "acceptability" until absolutely necessary. ("After all, people are burning straight veg oil. A fe

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Darryl West
guess going back to my original question is would this be ok to wash, dry and use?   Cheers   Darryl   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:56 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] quality test

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Joe Street
Todd; With all due respect, I think you missed my point.  I agree that we should strive for a paper thin interface, ( and I find it is easily achievable with experience) but when you put information out there like 1mm is ok and 5 mm is relatively incomplete it is meaningless unless you give th

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Yes. You are right that we should strive for a complete reaction. I've been reading too much about oil drilling today -- many of the Saudi oil fields are yielding close to 50% water, which they have to separate and pump back down, but that's considered okay or normal in that industry (or at least

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Appal Energy
Zeke, Your comments reiterate what was said, save for one area. "Bad" is a matter of subjective opininion. Whether the five centimeters is in a five-thousand gallon tank, five-hundred or five still indicates reaction incompletion. Five centimeters of emulsion in a spritz bottle indicates the s

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Huh??? I can buy that the interface layer for a completed reaction is related to the contact between water and fuel as you say, and is therefore dependent only on surface area of the interface, not volume of the reaction. Therefore it is a constant thickness regardless of volume or shape of the c

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Appal Energy
Let's wake up here, at least for the moment Joe. Soda pop comes in multiple sized bottles, as do drums, tanks and buckets. Your problem isn't dependant upon whether or not your container was a 20 ounce, 1 liter or 2 liter jug. The thin interface layer of a completed reaction is the result of th

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-03 Thread Joe Street
Hi Todd; When you talk about thickness of layers, is this with the Dr. Pepper size container?  Someone using a shallow wide container would have a much worse condition (with a 1mm layer) than someone using a tall narrow container no?  Maybe when giving this type of information we should talk a

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-02 Thread Derick Giorchino
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darryl West Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 3:37 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] quality test questions Hi, I am just after a bit more advice regarding the quality test on a small test batch

Re: [Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-02 Thread Appal Energy
Daryl, The suggestion is that you understand precisely what it is that you're looking at when you see a thick layer of emulsion in a wash. If the fuel was manufactured properly, the interface layer between water and fuel in a test wash would be only a milimeter or two thick. Five centimeters i

[Biofuel] quality test questions

2006-01-02 Thread Darryl West
Hi, I am just after a bit more advice regarding the quality test on a small test batch. I followed the Dr Peppers technique using new canola oil and the process seems to have worked out ok. When I do the quality test I get separation in 30 mins, but also get a small (5cm) white layer between the