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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power
Hi Zeke,
On 9/14/05, Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That monitoring station suggested to me that such a flying platform could...
On a philosophical level, I often wonde
Hi Zeke,On 9/14/05, Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That monitoring station suggested to me that such a flying platform could...
On a philosophical level, I often wonder why people are so excitedabout fancy new ideas like fusion, or flying wind turbines, etc. Isit that we hope to enginee
> That monitoring station suggested to me that such a flying platform could
> be used for many things. These days quick response computer and cell phone
> transmissions might be a market. One company in Florida is proposing a
> platform flying 24/7 at 60 to 70 thousand feet for such markets. I
> u
e. Inducers are
very unattractive so you don't see them around.
Leon
> [Original Message]
> From: TarynToo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Date: 9/14/05 12:38:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power
>
> Thanks Leon, this was helpful and interesting.
>
A.P.VORA
That link didn't work for me. Can you check it? Leon
Leon Hulett
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the URL is www.otherpower.com
ashok vora wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I suggest to visit website www.oterpowers.com for
> getting good basic knowledge of wind power and its
> application.
>
> Thanks
>
> A.P.VORA
>
>
>
>
> --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>>>On Sep 12, 2005,
Dear All,
I suggest to visit website www.oterpowers.com for
getting good basic knowledge of wind power and its
application.
Thanks
A.P.VORA
--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote:
> >
> > > I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in
Thanks Leon, this was helpful and interesting.
A few thoughts and questions:
A kite at 30K feet would have at least 40K feet of tether, about 12 km
of cable. I know there now exist carbon fiber cored, aluminum wrapped,
power lines that are both stronger and lighter than copper or the
common al
this
leveling effect, this number might be increased.
Does this make sense to you, or is it too fanciful? I guess you folks can
be the peer review I didn't have back then.
Leon
[Original Message]
From: TarynToo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Date: 9/13/05 1:53:18 AM
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> To:
> Date: 9/13/05 1:53:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power
>
> On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote:
>
> > I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on
> > Wind
> > Energy Systems in the Jet Stre
Hi Keith,
On Sep 13, 2005, at 4:00 AM, Keith Addison wrote:
>> On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote:
>>
>>> I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on
>>> Wind
>>> Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I
>>> had
>>> visited their So
>On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote:
>
> > I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on
> > Wind
> > Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had
> > visited their Solar One Site and thought they might like to do
> > something
> > with
On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote:
> I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on
> Wind
> Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had
> visited their Solar One Site and thought they might like to do
> something
> with wind.
>
> Wh
The jet stream doesn't lay in a river bed like water. It undulates constantly and has seasonal migration. Nor is it pretty much everywhere. Pilots know and use this knowledge.
Except for Federal preserves your vacant desert doesn't exist.
On the other hand there are projects with a lot of promi
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> From: TarynToo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Date: 9/11/05 9:13:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power
>
> Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it
> was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal.
>
>
Sparc IPX anyone?
TarynToo wrote:
>Oh...doh...fooled me. I was looking forward to hearing all the good
>dirt...
>
>Mostly I blow my money maintaining my museum of ancient Mac, BSD,
>Solaris, & Linux Boxen.
>Foolishly, I gave away my CBM PETs and C64s, but I still have my KIM1!
>
>Taryn
>http://
Kirk McLoren wrote:
> Sometimes engineering proposals are just gee whiz stuff. Just to show
> that you are capable of thinking outside the box. They don't have to
> have much to do with practicality. The hazard to air navigation is
> enough to scuttle this idea let alone the liability considera
Oh...doh...fooled me. I was looking forward to hearing all the good
dirt...
Mostly I blow my money maintaining my museum of ancient Mac, BSD,
Solaris, & Linux Boxen.
Foolishly, I gave away my CBM PETs and C64s, but I still have my KIM1!
Taryn
http://ornae.com/
On Sep 11, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Mike
Sometimes engineering proposals are just gee whiz stuff. Just to show that you are capable of thinking outside the box. They don't have to have much to do with practicality. The hazard to air navigation is enough to scuttle this idea let alone the liability considerations of falling stuff. Just try
No, I was being silly! I prefer to blow my money building things like
BD reactors or heat transfer devices for wood stoves!
TarynToo wrote:
>Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it
>was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal.
>
>Taryn
>http://ornae.com/
Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it
was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal.
Taryn
http://ornae.com/
On Sep 11, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Mike Weaver wrote:
> *Yeah, I invested in that. Ponzi scheme.
>
> TarynToo wrote:
>
>> ...
>> I remember some blue sk
*Yeah, I invested in that. Ponzi scheme.
I remember some blue sky stuff that proposed wind turbines hanging from
high altitude balloons, anchored by long tethers. I suppose the tethers
were supposed to carry current to the ground, though I'm now struck by
the weight of a few miles of high tens
On Sep 11, 2005, at 3:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I suspect that large arrays of wind farms would have an effect similar
> to forests. We've chopped down a lot of forests over tha last few
> hundred
> years, so this doesn't worry me.
>
> Tidal power would slow the earth's rotation a little
I suspect that large arrays of wind farms would have an effect similar
to forests. We've chopped down a lot of forests over tha last few hundred
years, so this doesn't worry me.
Tidal power would slow the earth's rotation a little faster than it is
slowing anyway from friction - probably not a big
Wind farms work in the 100 meters closest to the earth. Due to interaction with the ground it is relatively low energy compared to 1km and higher above the ground. In other words it is in the noise in terms of measurement. If you are worried about windturbines then you should worry about shelterbel
Hi JJJN,
On Sep 10, 2005, at 9:47 PM, JJJN wrote:
> ...
>
> Ok one last question about wind farms. I told someone that wind farms
> have the _potential_ of changing the weather if there is enough energy
> extracted. I was laughed at and got that "look" _Now I did say
> potentia_l. The laws of
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