Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-05 Thread Keith Addison
> >> What would you say is humane about kosher rules and in what ways are > >> the rules not adequate for someone looking to establish a rule that > >> they'd like to buy meat that has been treated reasonably well. As > >> long as I'm at it, if you have any insight as to how kosher meat is > >> f

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> What would you say is humane about kosher rules and in what ways are >> the rules not adequate for someone looking to establish a rule that >> they'd like to buy meat that has been treated reasonably well. As >> long as I'm at it, if you have any insight as to how kosher meat is >> fed and how

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-05 Thread Kim & Garth Travis
> > > PS: > > What would you say is humane about kosher rules and in what ways are > the rules not adequate for someone looking to establish a rule that > they'd like to buy meat that has been treated reasonably well. As > long as I'm at it, if you have any insight as to how kosher meat is >

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thx. I wasn't able to find the link either, which is what I'd need, but an advanced search on google does start to yield a wide variety of links on related matters. http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Food/Meat/Natural_and_Organic/ http://www2.alaskaair.com/destinations/restaurants.asp?city=HLN

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Now of course, here we are three thousand years later and if nutrition >> and health are the issues and not satisfying a book or an older view >> of God, then one could do better than the laws of Kosher, but it is >> interesting to note for a second that it's perhaps the case that mixed >> in w

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >I learn to butcher my own, because that way I know I get my meat that I >raised, not mixed with other producers harmone and antibiotic laden >garbage. I use steam to clean my place so I don't release a bunch of >nasty chemicals when I do butcher. It is much easier to do than you think. >Ki

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-04 Thread Kim & Garth Travis
see inserted comments, please. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Now of course, here we are three thousand years later and if nutrition > and health are the issues and not satisfying a book or an older view > of God, then one could do better than the laws of Kosher, but it is > interesting to note f

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-03 Thread Michael Ashton
i here ya. ma >From: Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios >Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:36:00 -0500 > > > >Keith Addiso

RE: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-03 Thread kirk
ganic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios >Try and buy real food at the store that is not already processed? I now >shop at a health food store, because I can't find real food in the >markets. Things like bran to make muffins. > I'm thankful to live in a civilization making

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Try and buy real food at the store that is not already processed? I now >shop at a health food store, because I can't find real food in the >markets. Things like bran to make muffins. > I'm thankful to live in a civilization making its growing pain efforts to become modern, and that to some e

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-03 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Kim >Keith Addison wrote: > > > > Yes, all good points - packaging drives me nuts, waste waste waste. > > Then go and put an "organically grown" label on it, having > > substituted some fertilising practices for others, and changed > > nothing else? > >Actually the problem with organic cert

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-03 Thread Kim & Garth Travis
Keith Addison wrote: > Yes, all good points - packaging drives me nuts, waste waste waste. > Then go and put an "organically grown" label on it, having > substituted some fertilising practices for others, and changed > nothing else? Actually the problem with organic certification is the insp

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hello MM > >I'd call that integrated farming, "organics" doesn't mean much these > >days. I just ate an "organic" banana from Mexico, bought in Osaka > >Japan. In other words it complied with the organics standards of both > >Mexico and Japan, but no way is it organic, not with thousands of > >fo

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I'd call that integrated farming, "organics" doesn't mean much these >days. I just ate an "organic" banana from Mexico, bought in Osaka >Japan. In other words it complied with the organics standards of both >Mexico and Japan, but no way is it organic, not with thousands of >food miles behind

Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM > >I don't know if he reads the list, but this article is dated 22 > >August 2001. It's here: > >http://www.ncga.com/public_policy/issues/2001/ethanol/08_22_01a.htm > >I have read this before, but hadn't revisited it in awhile. I think >you will enjoy tying some of this in with an article

[biofuel] Organic Farming and Ethanol Energy Ratios

2002-06-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I don't know if he reads the list, but this article is dated 22 >August 2001. It's here: >http://www.ncga.com/public_policy/issues/2001/ethanol/08_22_01a.htm I have read this before, but hadn't revisited it in awhile. I think you will enjoy tying some of this in with an article that came up th