Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-09-04 Thread Hakan Falk
Alan, I listen to Matt Simmons and it was very interesting, this especially since I have been dealing with energy in Sweden since late 1960's. After the first oil crises 1973 and the Hubbert presentations, we were very aware of the risks in taking it too lightly, when oil prices went down again.

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-09-03 Thread Alan Petrillo
Keith Addison wrote: > Alan, there's been quite a lot posted about how it's a victim of > privatization and mere bottom-line considerations overruling > investment, which has shrunk accordingly to well below the standards > obviously required for reliability of such a utility. I have no doubt

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-09-03 Thread Keith W. Kimmel
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist > Hi alan, Todd and all > > >Appal Energy wrote: > > >>4 blackouts in 40 years. That's actually pretty darned good reliability.

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-09-03 Thread Keith Addison
Hi alan, Todd and all >Appal Energy wrote: > >>4 blackouts in 40 years. That's actually pretty darned good reliability. > > > > Yeah. Especially when one of those blackouts was caused by a >rodent shorting > > out a transformer.. Billions of squirrel miles and only one blackout > > from suc

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-09-01 Thread murdoch
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:23:38 +0900, you wrote: >http://www.counterpunch.org/wasserman08162003.html > >August 16, 2003 > >The Latest Bogus Blackout Good article. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon o

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-09-01 Thread Appal Energy
Original Message - From: "Keith W. Kimmel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist > Yes, I admit that the figure might not represent all cases and scenarios. > That is

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-09-01 Thread Keith W. Kimmel
OTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist > Keith, > > We did a cost calculation almost two years back on a California 30 kw solar > array and came up with costs between $93,000 and $213,000.

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-08-31 Thread Alan Petrillo
Keith W. Kimmel wrote: > Not everyone (including me) can afford to shell out, oh say $400,000 to > build a solar panel array capable of powering their homes... which is what I > head these people paid for their own private "grid". > > >> http://www.solarwarrior.com/ Well, grid intertied

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-08-31 Thread Appal Energy
TECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist > Not everyone (including me) can afford to shell out, oh say $400,000 to > build a solar panel array capable of powering their homes... which is what I &

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-08-31 Thread Alan Petrillo
Appal Energy wrote: >>4 blackouts in 40 years. That's actually pretty darned good reliability. > > Yeah. Especially when one of those blackouts was caused by a rodent shorting > out a transformer.. Billions of squirrel miles and only one blackout > from such a source. Well, yes and no. The

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-08-31 Thread Keith W. Kimmel
e back on, every light in the place is on. - Original Message - From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist > > 4 blackouts in 40 years. That

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-08-30 Thread Appal Energy
fragility of the grid. Nor does it bode well for those who opt to remain dependant upon others for power. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Alan Petrillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Bl

Re: [biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-08-30 Thread Alan Petrillo
Keith Addison wrote: > http://www.counterpunch.org/wasserman08162003.html > > August 16, 2003 > > The Latest Bogus Blackout > > This Grid Should Not Exist > > By HARVEY WASSERMAN > > This is the fourth--and worst--completely unnecessary major blackout > of the Northeast in forty years, datin

[biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-08-29 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.counterpunch.org/wasserman08162003.html August 16, 2003 The Latest Bogus Blackout This Grid Should Not Exist By HARVEY WASSERMAN This is the fourth--and worst--completely unnecessary major blackout of the Northeast in forty years, dating back to 1965. It's scope--from Detroit to

[biofuel] The Latest Bogus Blackout - This Grid Should Not Exist

2003-08-28 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.counterpunch.org/wasserman08162003.html August 16, 2003 The Latest Bogus Blackout This Grid Should Not Exist By HARVEY WASSERMAN This is the fourth--and worst--completely unnecessary major blackout of the Northeast in forty years, dating back to 1965. It's scope--from Detroit to