Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Roger Schmid
Just one .. Dropping MTU handling and point to layer7 should handle that doesnt let you feel strange ? So how could an app handle packet size thru L4 ? My experience is soma pages ar crawling like a snake .. Some ar not loading complete at all, for me v6 is still not ready to deploy to the mas

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-20 13:00, Roger Schmid wrote: > Just one .. Dropping MTU handling and point to layer7 should handle that > doesnt let you feel strange ? So how could an app handle packet size > thru L4 ? Both IPv4 and IPv6 have this little protocol called ICMP (+ICMPv6) it is very useful and for IPv6 i

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Roger Schmid
Thats why i mentuoned to train techis and your argunent was its a management problem :) About mandatory how come then https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery .. Sorry to point to Wikipedia .. But been on cell only i dont have the proper doc at hand Em 20 de setembro de 2016 07:09:

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-20 13:43, Roger Schmid wrote: > Thats why i mentuoned to train techis and your argunent was its a > management problem :) Management has to provide the training for their people don't they. Many techies have been asking their managements for years already, but as they do not want to sh

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread René Gallati
On 20.09.2016 13:00, Roger Schmid wrote: Just one .. Dropping MTU handling and point to layer7 should handle that doesnt let you feel strange ? So how could an app handle packet size thru L4 ? Uh what now? In IPv4 you have the DF don't fragment bit in the IP header, if set and exceeds a router

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-20 14:56, René Gallati wrote: [..] > I've activate IPv6 in my home network in 2011 2011, thus 5 years after 6bone had shut down and 12 years after RIR space has been available. Welcome to IPv6! ;) /me waves at DE-SPACE-19990812 as well, Gert is on this list likely ;) > [..] neither sl

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:20:56PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > On 2016-09-20 14:56, René Gallati wrote: > [..] > > I've activate IPv6 in my home network in 2011 > > 2011, thus 5 years after 6bone had shut down and 12 years after RIR > space has been available. Welcome to IPv6! ;) > > /me w

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-20 15:29, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:20:56PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> On 2016-09-20 14:56, René Gallati wrote: >> [..] >>> I've activate IPv6 in my home network in 2011 >> >> 2011, thus 5 years after 6bone had shut down and 12 years after RIR >> space

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Jim Romaguera
On 20.09.2016 15:40, Jeroen Massar wrote: Anybody has a proper excuse? :) No I don't have an excuse but interested in the communities (& your) opinion re your challenge... o DHCPv6 re Android re enterprise, BYOD, PWLAN, etc environments Is a problem or was a problem / no problem at all?

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-20 15:58, Jim Romaguera wrote: > > On 20.09.2016 15:40, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> Anybody has a proper excuse? :) > > No I don't have an excuse but interested in the communities (& your) > opinion re your challenge... > > o DHCPv6 re Android re enterprise, BYOD, PWLAN, etc environm

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Jim Romaguera
Well the point wasn't a personal purchase point. But taking the viewpoint of "someone" who may be deploying / deciding on the deployment of IPv6 in the enterprise, BYOD, etc environments. With one in two SmartPhones in CH Android, the advice of telling 50% of your customers / users to "go App

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-20 17:30, Jim Romaguera wrote: > Well the point wasn't a personal purchase point. > > But taking the viewpoint of "someone" who may be deploying / deciding on > the deployment of IPv6 in the enterprise, BYOD, etc environments. Various big universities have already been recommending to

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Gregor Riepl
> That does not make IPv6 broken though, that makes people who think they > have to filter the wrong things broken. > > Misconfigurations is not something a protocol can solve. There's an RFC for that: https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4890.txt Great document, even serves as a good primer for folks who

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-20 19:40, Gregor Riepl wrote: >> That does not make IPv6 broken though, that makes people who think they >> have to filter the wrong things broken. >> >> Misconfigurations is not something a protocol can solve. > > There's an RFC for that: https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4890.txt > Great do

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Gregor Riepl
> Unfortunately the people who misconfigure do not read RFCs, if they did, > they would not filter. > > They do not read this list either, let alone other resources that they > should be reading. Hence... not something one can solve. BUT: If you find such a person, you can strongly urge them to r

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Thread Roger Schmid
Maybe .. But i do not spend money nor time to do some "missionary work" for what reason ever there is when stuff doesn't work. I've done it for years with spammer friendly hoster which even see the abuse box is a Spam trap, and all the so called number one hoster which never take care about wha