[sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread David Haslam
Not all languages have fonts that include italics as a text style. Italics are generally unavailable except for the scripts that use Latin, Greek and Cyrillic alphabets. [probably a gross over-simplification, but you get the gist of what I'm saying] So what should front-end applications use for

Re: [sword-devel] BREW Development?

2011-04-19 Thread David Haslam
I guess a separate page would have been preferable, Chris. e.g. one headed Ideas for further projects. with subsections for == Ideas for front-end applications == === Platforms with no front-end application === === Application frameworks with no front-end application === PS. As for navigatio

Re: [sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 19/04/11 09:02, David Haslam wrote: > So what should front-end applications use for presentational rendering in > such modules when the Bible translation features added words? > i.e. In USFM as marked using \add_...\add* And in OSIS the markup is in a similar way semantic, not presentational.

Re: [sword-devel] MDF/SFM Dictionary Import into Sword Format

2011-04-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 18/04/11 19:51, David Haslam wrote: > Probably something that could be easily implemented by making a bespoke > TextPipe filter. usfm2osis.pl should be relatively easy to adapt to this. I remember thinking about it once when I saw a website aiming to create multilingual Strong dictionaries/ Pe

Re: [sword-devel] KJV vs Russian Synodal versification comparison

2011-04-19 Thread Konstantin Maslyuk
Hi, Andy. You haven't answered on this list. And i just would like to know, was content i have sent to you useful for you? Whether you have understood how that data was organized? God bless. > Hi all, > > I am working on preparing text for 2 Central Asian languages and as > we test differe

Re: [sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread David Haslam
The question was prompted by encountering a translation in which the translators are currently using MS Word (i.e. rather than Bibledit or Paratext), and for which they were marking added words in a shade of grey. As it happens, they could have [also] used italics in MS Word, and had even made som

Re: [sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > Alternatively, the more semantic HTML markup of might be useful? There has been a move away from pushing and in the HTML world, since it has been recognized that italics do not always semantically mean "emphasis" and bold does not alwa

Re: [sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread DM Smith
On 04/19/2011 09:27 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: Alternatively, the more semantic HTML markup of might be useful? There has been a move away from pushing and in the HTML world, since it has been recognized that italics do not always seman

Re: [sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread DM Smith
On 04/19/2011 04:24 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: On 19/04/11 09:02, David Haslam wrote: So what should front-end applications use for presentational rendering in such modules when the Bible translation features added words? i.e. In USFM as marked using \add_...\add* And in OSIS the markup is in

Re: [sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread DM Smith
Another problematic markup for other languages is ... The SWORD engine tries to apply small caps to the content by simulation. The first letter is converted to uppercase if it isn't already. Then the remainder of the word is converted to upper case and wrapped in code that reduces the font size

Re: [sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
> >> Alternatively, the more semantic HTML markup of might be useful? > > There has been a move away from pushing and in the HTML > > world, since it has been recognized that italics do not always > > semantically mean "emphasis" and bold does not always semantically > > mean "strong". This si

[sword-devel] CSS Again... (was Re: Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?)

2011-04-19 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:35 AM, DM Smith wrote: > In principle, I like the idea of CSS, but I think there are difficulties > with CSS. It presumes the elements and structure of what is being styled and > that the display can handle it. Are these problems greater than our current solution of "Sor

Re: [sword-devel] CSS Again... (was Re: Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?)

2011-04-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Leaving aside the cencerns of implementation the identified issues where the we currently systematically fail non Latin scripts (and many non english languages with latin script) are, by applying English standards 1) references 2) divineName 3) emphasis/highlighting 4) quotations (partially add

Re: [sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > The interpretation happens very late in our chain - at rendering filter > level. And I would think it is probably a wrong > decision. It would be trivial to change that to which in turn might be > rendered more likely in an appropriat

Re: [sword-devel] CSS Again... (was Re: Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?)

2011-04-19 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Again, to be rude and top-post, not having a specific line in the message to which I wish to comment... I don't believe anyone is against HTML rendering frontends supplying stylesheets to their output. I believe Bibletime does this for their user selectable themes. I have often lamented the fact

Re: [sword-devel] CSS Again... (was Re: Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?)

2011-04-19 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Again, to be rude and top-post, not having a specific line in the > message to which I wish to comment... > > I don't believe anyone is against HTML rendering frontends supplying > stylesheets to their output. > > I believe Bibletime doe

Re: [sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread DM Smith
On 04/19/2011 12:00 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: KJVs used italics. Some English translations use [word]. Some use ⌊word⌋. Some ignore the issue completely. I think we're not dealing with a language-level problem here but a translation-level problem. Some translators recognize that they are required

Re: [sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread DM Smith
On 04/19/2011 01:10 PM, DM Smith wrote: On 04/19/2011 12:00 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: KJVs used italics. Some English translations use [word]. Some use ⌊word⌋. Some ignore the issue completely. I think we're not dealing with a language-level problem here but a translation-level problem. Some tra

Re: [sword-devel] KJV vs Russian Synodal versification comparison

2011-04-19 Thread Andy Harris
Hi Konstantin, Sorry for now answering earlier - your file has been incredibly helpful in trying to understand this and to chase down where this mapping should come in! However I am still trying to pick my way through this! It seems that there are not only different versification formats (KJV and

[sword-devel] Unicode normalisation and arabic vowel filter

2011-04-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Guys, I wonder if someone could give me a piece of advice on a problem which bugs me. Enormously. We do have an Arabic vowel filter which is essentially the same as the Hebrew points filter. In fact they are so similar that Chris at one stage wondered whether to amalgamate them and throw into it a

Re: [sword-devel] Rendering added words for languages that don't use italics?

2011-04-19 Thread Nic Carter
On 20/04/2011, at 3:15 AM, DM Smith wrote: > Troy's suggestion of changing this from word to class="added">word is a good one. > > This removes the problem from the engine. > > With a well-defined output with class attributes, then CSS can solve the > problem on a per module basis. Sorry for

Re: [sword-devel] BREW Development?

2011-04-19 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/04/2011 08:15, David Haslam wrote: > I guess a separate page would have been preferable, Chris. To me, it doesn't matter if those non-projects are on the same page, or a different page. What I find useful is that it is an acknowledgement of the