[sword-devel] v11n Verification Script

2011-08-01 Thread Greg Hellings
Using DM's suggestion I wrote a basic evaluation system to look at two texts and compare versification contents. You can fetch it from http://dl.thehellings.com/v11n_check.py It requires the Sword Python bindings as well as the numpy Python library for calculation of means and standard deviations

Re: [sword-devel] V11n validation (was Re: Change to Synodal verse system)

2011-08-01 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 01/08/11 20:55, scribe...@gmail.com wrote: > Many major frontends do not yet implement > av11n so I hadn't put v11n mapping high on my list yet. There is unfortunately here a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Several frontend developers are on record that they will consider av11n low priorit

Re: [sword-devel] V11n validation (was Re: Change to Synodal versesystem)

2011-08-01 Thread Костя и Алёна Маслюк
Excuse me too. I really do not want anyone to hurry up. If you can create a branch for me i would pull my work there and forget of it before the best times. Also i will not be offended if for some reason, my work will not be accepted. Simply, i saw here a guy asking for complete list of dif

Re: [sword-devel] V11n validation (was Re: Change to Synodal verse system)

2011-08-01 Thread scribe...@gmail.com
Dear Костя, This is entirely my fault. v11n mapping is a big deal and I need to consider any implementation completely before we move forward. Because of the many projects that build on our engine, we try our hardest not to change interfaces once we move forward. For better or worse, this make

Re: [sword-devel] V11n validation (was Re: Change to Synodal verse system)

2011-08-01 Thread Костя и Алёна Маслюк
This would be helpful when talking of reversification KJV<->Synodal. http://crosswire.org/~kalemas/work/v11nmapping/Bible.Synodal.xml p.s. i have done huge work making mappings system and testing this data and a little upset that no one takes this into account. David Haslam писал(а) в своём

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread David Haslam
Here are some of Illya's notes from 2008 on the Ohienko translation. http://www.crosswire.org/forums/mvnforum/viewthread_thread,551 http://www.crosswire.org/forums/mvnforum/viewthread_thread,551 There is a direct link in it to a topic in the Go Bible Forum. You'd need to be already logged in for

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread John Austin
The xulSword program used primarily in Russia and the CIS has been relying on Sword's own built in v11n capability since shortly after 1.6.1 was released. From that time a number of IBT texts have already been released which use the "Synodal" verse system, including Russian modules, Kazakh, Crimean

Re: [sword-devel] V11n validation (was Re: Change to Synodal verse system)

2011-08-01 Thread Greg Hellings
Writing such a utility would be trivial. Do we have any existing modules which could be used to test it? --Greg 2011/8/1 DM Smith : > David's observation has got me thinking on whether there is a way to detect > mismatches. The nature of osis2mod is to be lossless with regard to biblical > mater

Re: [sword-devel] V11n validation (was Re: Change to Synodal verse system)

2011-08-01 Thread David Haslam
Hi Chris, You'll be pleased to know that I didn't consciously remove any verse tags from the excerpted Ukrainian passage tagged as Psalms 114:8: It was done with no CL options, just using diatheke -b Ukrainian -k "Gen - Rev" and pasting from the above line in the captured output. Yet if we have

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread David Haslam
Troy, IBT hosts only one Russian language Bible module. The others for Central Asia are: - Crimean Tatar - Karakalpak - Khakas - Kumyk - Kyrgyz (Cyrillic)* Lingua Service/UBS - Kyrgyz (Arabic)* Lingua Service/UBS - Kyrgyz (Cyrillic)* Ray of Hope - Kyrgyz (Arabic)* Ray of Hope - Tatar -

Re: [sword-devel] V11n validation (was Re: Change to Synodal verse system)

2011-08-01 Thread Chris Little
On 8/1/11 7:03 AM, DM Smith wrote: David's observation has got me thinking on whether there is a way to detect mismatches. The nature of osis2mod is to be lossless with regard to biblical material. If a verse in the OSIS file is not in the v11n, then it is appended it to the prior verse entry (

Re: [sword-devel] V11n validation (was Re: Change to Synodal verse system)

2011-08-01 Thread DM Smith
On 08/01/2011 10:54 AM, David Haslam wrote: Greg recently wrote a script to measure the "matchingness" of an OSIS XML file against each of our v11n schemes. It was reported in an earlier thread in this mailing list. Yes, I saw that. It's a great addition. This is a different idea: Does an existi

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread David Haslam
For those who may have forgotten, .xsm is a .zip file with a renamed extension. The .xsm extension relates to the cool drag&drop install method for the IBT MK application. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Change-to-Synodal-verse-system-tp3709069p37099

Re: [sword-devel] V11n validation (was Re: Change to Synodal verse system)

2011-08-01 Thread David Haslam
Greg recently wrote a script to measure the "matchingness" of an OSIS XML file against each of our v11n schemes. It was reported in an earlier thread in this mailing list. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Change-to-Synodal-verse-system-tp3709069p370989

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread David Haslam
Examining the IBT download page http://www.ibt.org.ru/english/bible/info_bible_en.htm http://www.ibt.org.ru/english/bible/info_bible_en.htm , there are now 16 .xsm modules (which should all be compatible with SWORD technology, assuming av11n is supported for those that need it) and only 2 .zip mod

[sword-devel] V11n validation (was Re: Change to Synodal verse system)

2011-08-01 Thread DM Smith
David's observation has got me thinking on whether there is a way to detect mismatches. The nature of osis2mod is to be lossless with regard to biblical material. If a verse in the OSIS file is not in the v11n, then it is appended it to the prior verse entry (it is a bit more complicated than t

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
On 01/08/11 14:55, Chris Little wrote: > We added the SynodalP v11n specifically to support IBT's texts, and > that's probably as much as we can do to accommodate these texts. OK, to be sure I understand the summary of the issue: IBT has legacy Russian Bibles that use v11n "P" We have Russian Bib

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread David Haslam
http://www.crosswire.org/bugs/browse/MOD-166 David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Change-to-Synodal-verse-system-tp3709069p3709644.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread Chris Little
On 8/1/11 4:41 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: Chris, Von: Chris Little At the time 1.6.2 was released, there were still no major Sword apps that had been released with support for av11n to the extent necessary to support Synodal-v11n modules. We had also only released a couple of Synodal-v11n

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread David Haslam
This thread (plus something else) just prompted me to examine our Ukrainian module with diatheke. Psalms 114:8: що скелю обертає в озеро водне, а кремінь на водне джерело! Не нам, Господи, не нам, але Йменню Своєму дай славу за милість Твою, за правду Твою! Пощо мають казати народи: Де ж то їхній

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Chris, > Von: Chris Little > At the time 1.6.2 was released, there were still no major Sword apps > that had been released with support for av11n to the extent necessary to > support Synodal-v11n modules. We had also only released a couple of > Synodal-v11n modules and only released them to t

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread David Haslam
Peter, Do we need to fix our Belarusian module dated 2009-12-22 ? Versification=Synodal. And yes - we should also raise the av11n matter with the xulsword developer, so that he can take up any necessary actions on behalf of IBT. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread Chris Little
At the time 1.6.2 was released, there were still no major Sword apps that had been released with support for av11n to the extent necessary to support Synodal-v11n modules. We had also only released a couple of Synodal-v11n modules and only released them to the experimental repository. According

Re: [sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread Peter von Kaehne
It is probably worthwhile adding that while we had at CrossWire no Synodal v11n based texts out ofr public consumption, IBT has been distributing many of its modules in synodal v11n for a while. So there is a problem beyond us few developers and testers. Peter Original-Nachricht -

[sword-devel] Change to Synodal verse system

2011-08-01 Thread John Austen
An error in the Synodal verse system (canon_synodal.h) was fixed in sword-1.6.2, which is great. Psalms 114:9 was missing from the verse system, but has now been included. My concern is that the fixed verse system has the same name as the old one. So the many existing Synodal Sword modules are