We have released Xiphos (née GnomeSword) version 3.
I would summarize what's new and different and cool, but the list is so
long, it's better just to read the release notes.
The single biggest deal is the Windows port. It has a glitch or two,
and doesn't yet have the good display engine (so we
Barry Drake bdr...@crosswire.org writes:
Congratulations This is fantastic work! I'm mystified about one
thing though: where does the Windows version put its modules? I
installed to the default: .../program files/crosswire/xiphos
It didn't find my existing Sword modules. These are at:
David Haslam d.has...@ukonline.co.uk writes:
This has a link to GnomeSword that will eventually require updating or
replacing.
There are many links both in Sword and elsewhere that will need to be
updated. We'll see about it once we've got the 3.0 release out. Until
then, GnomeSword is the
FYI.
As the GnomeSword team has approached its goal of the WIN32 port, the
question was raised about its name. Neither GNOME nor Sword
necessarily has a lot of meaning (notwithstanding the project name),
even to Linux users, who may not know that their desktop scheme has a
name; it was expressed
DM Smith dmsmith...@yahoo.com writes:
on what basis that a module is deemed a Personal Commentary
ModDrv=RawFiles
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Jeremy Erickson jerickson...@users.sourceforge.net writes:
In that thread, it apparently does work for Karl on Diatheke
4.2.1/Sword 1.5.11, which oddly enough is exactly what I am using. I
don't get the newlines from Diatheke but rather get the same output as
StripText(). Karl, can you
fred smith fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us writes:
Do you mean libxml2, or do you mean libxml ? if the latter, that's REALLY old
and I don't see any libxml packages for Fedora. I could always build one
/usr/lib/pkgconfig/libxml-2.0.pc is delivered as part of the
libxml2-devel package.
And
fred smith fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us writes:
checking for GNOME... no
so, what is it trying to tell me in that last line? That I don't have
Gnome on my system? Balderdash! :) I surely do!
configure is looking for these packages as its expectations of gnome:
glib-2.0 gtk+-2.0
Chris Little chris...@crosswire.org writes:
I know that GS has a localized equivalent to this, but I'm not sure
where it came from.
# this file contains the language abbrev - name mapping for
# all languages known. the first 200 or so have been part of
# GnomeSword's main source since forever.
Spare us the they're not *really* ThML whining. I don't care that
they're specifically ThML. When I first started producing Sword modules
2 years ago, I was using GBF.
The only important distinctions about my modules are:
- They work.
- They get out readily to people who want them.
- They
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Peter von Kaehne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And would only be really relevant if these modules were static and
never be updated. But they are not static and they do get updated.
Often (usually!) within minutes of being informed of problems.
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Peter von Kaehne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If someone brings us a good text to include, then we should be able to
say - here, it works and then gradualy improve it to make it better,
richer and more conforming to whatever lofty standards we want to achieve.
That is precisely how my TrainTwelve
Troy A. Griffitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, this is a quick fix and will be in the next rev. If you need it
before the next rev, you are very welcome to extend the filter and
catch the reference tag to handle it correctly.
Just my opinion: I would prefer to see a new, very-near-term
Troy A. Griffitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
May I ask first for some feedback regarding current state of TRUNK?
I sent you a locale-related core-dumping stack trace some weeks ago.
Given that svn up just now doesn't give me anything new (I'm at
-r2210), I'm not even testing with Sword trunk
Ian Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Interesting. My dad is a pastor and he has been using Libronix since
it was known as Logos back in the Windows 95 days. Unfortunately, the
application is only single-platform at the moment so my dad has to run
it in a VM since he is now a mac user.
Chris Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And what's worse, there exists a standard reference system for
Josephus, that we would probably want to use for linking to it...
Ultimately, you would want to encode a link to the above reference as
reference osisRef=Josephus:Ant.1.8.2some text/reference.
Troy A. Griffitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I understand why Karl uses ThML-- because gnomesword supports it.
Troy, I'm sorry, but that's not correct, and that's not my point.
I use ThML because it provides what I need. Now. Fast. My newest
module, TrainTwelve, looks fine in BibleCS,
Chris Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Like it or not, OSIS TEI are the future for us.
I have no dislike for it in concept. I just don't want to use it much,
so long as I get less capability from it, for the work I need to do.
ThML has value primarily as a way of incorporating materials
Sean Healy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1) Is this only to other dictionaries, or is it also possible to link to
commentaries and general books?
2) Is it possible to have such a link from a bible or commentary?
3) Do any of the front-ends actually support any of this?
4) Do any current modules
Matthew Talbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
successfully compiled Sword and Gnomesword with mingw on Windows.
Woo-hoo!
No doubt there's lots yet to be done. but...WOW.
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I do have a prettier picture now though :)
I see that you have no language divisions known in the module list.
This is because of something you mentioned before, that there is no
mmap() call available. I will re-work the language init code to use
more
Matthew Talbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know if speed is the reason mmap is being used or not
I used mmap() because it was totally trivial: I just wanted to inhale
the file into a buffer I could chew on. Once I had the file open, one
mmap() gave me its content.
A replacement stdio
Matthew Talbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ransom1982/Gnomesword#5270767376254691490
It looks like it does in Ubuntu (I think, but the fonts are
different), except the numbers are on the right in Windows.
Oh, yeah, that's right. I (for one) didn't expect otherwise,
Matthew Talbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How's this?
Er, spoke too soon. It does show both RtoL text and Farsi digits, but
it didn't turn the interface around. See, in Linux, when you do that,
you get the sidebar on the right and commentary on the left, with main
menus on the right as well
Matthew Talbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How's this?
Lovely.
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Matthew Talbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have no idea about cross compiling, but Sword is built fairly easily
under cygwin I believe, and I have just successfully built it with
mingw in windows.
Yes, Cygwin support has been good for a couple years now and I'm glad
mingw is moving well on
Daniel Glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
no idea if fedora has got around to catching up on that yet
Fedora will probably catch up on mingw before Ubuntu catches up on
Sword. A page that Dave Barton just sent me includes specific
observation of Fedora packages using a temporary yum repo until
Chris Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It occurs to me that you already had Didache, albeit by a different
translator, since it is included in volume 7 of the ANF in the Early
Church Fathers series.
True, it's at key:
/Volume07/The Teaching Of The Twelve Apostles
Seen in bsreview.org:
| The electronic edition of the English Standard Version Study Bible
| will soon become available for a number of Bible software
| applications. To that effect,
|| Crossway has partnered with the leading digital software providers,
|| including Accordance, Biblesoft,
I got an inquiry about this for GnomeSword, but the problem is clearly
not a GS-specific issue, so I'm asking here.
Is there a way to get markup into the personal commentary so that it
xrefs internally to another scripture?
That is, the built-in editor of GS used for the personal commentary
Troy A. Griffitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The personal commentary driver is not handled differently than any other
module type. In personal.conf, if you have SourceType=OSIS then the
engine will recognize reference tags. If SourceType=ThML then
scripRef. Hope this makes sense (and is
Ben Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It ties you down to having one module (though I believe gnomesword
does allow extras - so this might not apply to it).
As you observe, yes, GnomeSword allows the renaming of a pers.comm which
in turn lets the user download it again and use the new one for
Ben Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Surely personal commentaries can be created in code - rather than
sending the user off to download them?
No doubt. But I didn't know it at the time.
Also, I presume GS doesn't allow user created dictionaries?
Directly, the mechanism provides only for
I was asked to forward this here from gnomesword-developers.
Opinion, suggestion, counterpoint, and offers of help welcome.
--karl
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Peter and Matthew -- not the apostles; rather, the folks who take part
here in GS development, refdoc and ransom1982 -- have been cajoling me
to
Peter von Kaehne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Further we have lots of stale parts of the site - jira is one of them.
many of the bugs posted are 2 or 3 years old (or older).
It's policy for GnomeSword that the bug list in SF's tracker is
completely cleared before the next release is made.
This is
As seen in
http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/index.php/Modules_in_the_beta_repository
| in GS occ UTF8 problem - Mal 1:9 and Matt1:20 create
| odd characters (star in front of SEIGNEUR or DIEU
| (skc this is intentional))
I just reproduced this bug to see what the problem is. It is not a
GnomeSword
Peter von Kaehne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Description: [a short English language description]
Description_de: [eine kurze Beschreibung auf Deutsch]
How and when frontends will make use of this is a separate matter, but
right now I think we should simply agree on this convention and then
Looking around the rest of the beta modules' status page, I have 2
observations.
1. All of MacSword, BibleDesktop, and GnomeSword are given this demerit:
| Does not handle WoC when milestoned quotes are used: q marker=
| who=Jesus sID=x/Words of Christq marker= who=Jesus eID=x/
I suggest that
DM Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I believe that GnomeSword was the only front-end project that used it
as a whiteboard for planning. For whatever reason, that activity has
been moved out of the CrossWire wiki.
[*blink*]
When/where was that? How long has the wiki existed?
Peter von Kaehne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Karl, AFAIK the problem is fully addressed in osis2mod and resolved.
Thanx. Then the page should be updated to reflect that this problem in
3 major UIs is not actually a problem any more, but is at worst pending
a planned fix.
Peter von Kaehne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A year or couple of years I think
If there's usage of the wiki for GnomeSword whiteboarding in the last
year or two, I certainly don't find it.
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produced a module TrainTwelve of A.B.Bruce's 1871 work.
In my repo: host ftp.kleinpaste.org, directory /pub/sword.
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Greg Hellings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe for future releases, if Gecko on Solaris still
doesn't work properly, you could add an exception to the autotools for
Solaris so it defaults to gtkhtml on that system?
Yes, I probably should have already done that. After all, we default to
gtkhtml
I released 2.4.1 a little while ago.
- F1-F4 shortcuts (help, prefs, adv.search, mod.mgr)
- companion modules
- automatic font selection
- fix: mod.mgr lockout problems
- fix: search range infloop in lexdict genbook
- highlight search terms in adv.search preview
- toggle Find to Stop during
Daniel Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
However, the book outlines in the
introduction are a thorny problem because neither lists nor regular
paragraphs appear correctly (the outlines become a single
paragraph--totally unreadable--though they are encoded in proper
OSIS).
Can you provide an
Arthur Bolstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I like the idea of these companion modules. In my case, I want to
record my comments on various texts (often as I prepare sermons). So
I want to be able to create my own editable companion module linked to
a particular text.
We don't have a means to
Daniel Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
./configure
make
sudo make install
Most of the time, configure by itself will assume /usr/local as a
prefix. You should use autogen.sh and usrinst.sh for Sword
configuration and installation:
./autogen.sh
./usrinst.sh
Hack usrinst.sh ahead of time to
The phrase companion modules was coined last January at BibleTech when
several of us were debating additional capabilities in which Wycliffe
folks have an interest.
This past Friday, I implemented a beginning of this concept in
GnomeSword. The idea is that some modules come as a pair. The best
'Mash [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have been using the ESV module for some time now, mainly though
diatheke on the CLI and was wondering if it is possible to help with
the correcting of typographical errors and general tidying. By this I
mean the spacing of words, punctuation spaces and
'Mash [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am using the Debian package
diatheke 1.5.9-8.1 CGI script for making bible website
That's where the difference lies. The 1.5.9 you have installed is not
up to date; 1.5.11 is the current release. Apparently, 1.5.9 is simply
eliminating line breaks, and
Does there exist a mechanism in OSIS by which the content can request a
particular font, font name=name herefont-special content here/font?
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The string CSS (case-insensitively) does not appear in Sword library
sources: If any such directives are found to be supported, it is done in
ignorance just because the engine passes them unmolested. As an example
at hand, GnomeSword has no code to support CSS, other than what I wrote
myself, for
It seems that the source .rar contains Sword Project module content,
including a copy of the current KJV module, i.e. [ot].bz[svz] with
matching md5sums.
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Partial success.
I re-installed Solaris and did the image-update stage described by Greg.
Now a whole herd of packages with version 0.99 are available. gdb does
not drop core. GnomeSword builds and runs and I am fixing some
Solaris-specific bugs. Mostly these have to do with differences in
For comparison, under Fedora we have:
[1096] [11:49 AM] awol:~ egrep ^sword\|^gnomesword\|^bibletime /var/log/rpmpkgs
bibletime-1.6.5.1-1.fc9.i386.rpm
gnomesword-2.4.0-1.fc9.i386.rpm
sword-1.5.11-1.fc9.i386.rpm
[1097] [11:50 AM] awol:~ ls -l /usr/lib/libswo*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 1251246 Sep 18
Greg Hellings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know the answer to your question -- I would guess that it's
gdb, since it seems that gcc/g++ is the standard compiler toolchain
for Solaris.
No, Sun was the first to go the unbundled route, in the early '90s,
which is why their filesystem layout
Y'know, if this wasn't so deranged, it would be inspired.
In one last, desperate attempt to move to a point where I might be able
to continue progress (because when all is said and done, I really would
like GS to run on Solaris), I recalled words about version 0.98 of
stuff, and I had used the
All right, I've finally made progress.
I got frustrated enough that I re-installed Solaris because I got to a
point where ./configure stages were failing because gcc had stopped
being able to compile test programs, in turn because ld began
complaining of missing libc symbols. This was due to
Greg Hellings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My guess is that the update to -0.98 came with the image-upgrade that I ran
from the command-line
If you mean the directions for immediate update specified here...
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/#Update_Inst
...I did that as
Karl Kleinpaste [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of course, as I mess around with this a bit more, I've just been pointed
to pkgchk, whose man page provides the example pkgchk -l -p /usr/bin/ls,
for which it should display package installation information...and yet
which produces empty output.
While
Greg Hellings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I had to manually enter the address for pkg.opensolaris.org into the
/etc/hosts file, because the system could not figure out DNS until
after the update
Edit /etc/nsswitch.conf to add dns to the hosts line instead.
I then had to manually build and
Greg Hellings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Package Manager does not list xrender.pc as part of the xorg-headers
package, nevertheless, after installing that package, I had the xrender.pc
file. What version were you trying? I have 0.5.11-0.98. I presume the
0.5.11 means that this is SunOS 5.11,
I am experimenting with building GnomeSword for OpenSolaris. Sword
itself is now built, no major shakes but there is neither CLucene nor
(functional) ICU. Even so, fine so far.
What's got me stuck is that GnomeSword wants to verify presence of a
bunch of GNOME packages, in the dependency chain
Greg, there were approximately two dozen pieces of information in your
message for which I have exactly zero context. Bear in mind that I have
not used a Solaris machine in the better part of 15 years.
For starters, I have no knowledge of how to configure Solaris' package
manager to use any
Ben Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some map links which look like they are Public Domain
I've just generated a new module SmithBibleAtlas from one of the links
near the top of the godweb.org reference. I now have 8 map atlas
modules in my repo (lexdict or genbook):
ABSMaps (ld)
SonWon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
error while loading shared libraries: libsword-1.5.11.so: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory
You don't have Sword itself installed first, so you've got a dependency error.
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jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
just has 2.3.6.
Or have I missed something blazingly obvious.
At the moment, I'm having trouble getting updates into the project web
pages at SourceForge, and I sent that before I had tried (failed) to
upload the changes. /mutter/ shell.sourceforge.net is
Out the door a few minutes ago.
We now consider GS to be out of unstable status.
http://gnomesword.sourceforge.net/
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I installed it, now how do I run it? There is no menu entry in gnome?
I am using Ubuntu 8.04.
It installs its gnome desktop entry under Accessories.
Otherwise, run it from the command line as gnomesword2.
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A separate note not including the original requester...
What's keeping NASB and LBLA from being released? Is anything actually
being improved, developed, or debugged in them, or for them? If not,
why don't they get pushed out the door immediately?
I've been involved with The Sword Project for
SonWon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Copyright law!
No. Sword has agreements in place for NASB and LBLA.
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GnomeSword can create user-editable modules from scratch, and can rename
personal commentary modules. It needs to guarantee that names offered
are acceptable, and as a fairly bland verification policy, the code
ensures that these name strings conform to isalnum(3).
Now we've got a bug report
Out the door yesterday. Intended as the last of our 2.3 development
series; 2.4 to follow in a month or so.
Per-platform binary builds should begin to appear soon. Our Fedora repo
participant, Deji, tends to get to updates within a week or so; domcox
will surely have something for Ubuntu very
I've been exchanging some mail with Rubén Gómez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
regarding Sword in general, and specifically GS and a few other things.
He has brought up a Ubuntu box and finds that he cannot get BibleTime to
cope:
bibletime: error while loading shared libraries: libsword.so.6 : cannot
open
Eeli Kaikkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
BibleTime is now up to date thanks to the new maintainer but
Gnomesword is not. Apparently nobody has taken the initiative with GS.
Both Terry and I are Fedora users, and I don't believe either of us has
any connections to the Debian/Ubuntu groups.
FYI,
David Haslam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is this supported by any of the Sword front-ends?
GnomeSword does not.
I would expect only that any given module should be encoded using
whatever quotation scheme is suitable to its language. I certainly
don't expect the front ends to perform dynamic
Not Sword-specific, but...
http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/
The oldest (1600yrs) complete Bible to survive to the modern day.
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DM Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Add into all of this the difficulty of language/locale dependent
quotation systems and I think that many module encoders will just do #4.
Based on the mental gymnastics required for all that, I can't imagine
why anyone would bother with anything other than
DM Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Another difficulty in identifying quotations is continuation marks.
(OSIS provides milestone type=cQuote ... / for this.) I hear that
this varies by language. But in English when a quote spans paragraphs
the start of each paragraph in the quote starts with
I mentioned before that sometimes (irregularly) *.jpg images that are
part of modules do not display correctly. Here is a screenshot of this
happening to me today:
http://karl.kleinpaste.org/.../WinSword-black-jpg.png
That module's images are now all *.jpg. As you can see, it's not even
Chris Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does anyone have a printed edition that uses a paragraphed
presentation?
Not that I consider Crosswalk much of a source -- I can show you some
really impressively bad examples of text rendering in Crosswalk's NASB
-- but they have paragraph-formatted text
Troy A. Griffitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The difference between iterating the KJV
(heavily tagged OSIS zText) and GerLut (reasonably tagged GBF RawText)
without filters involved, was about 5x speed difference (12.9s vs. 2.7s).
I have wondered now and again about a utility which would do a
SonWon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has anyone considered compressing each chapter individually. The space
savings is not as large but not that bad and the performance gain is
excellent.
The compression offered is by verse, chapter, or book.
See options to mod2zmod.
Both of these modules' .conf contain
GlobalOptionFilter=OSISMorph
yet neither actually contains morph content.
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Peter von Kaehne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
FWIW, the Debian version of GS did not install on the eeepc900 I had for
a short afternoon
Yes, that's why I don't want to update the wiki instructions for eeepc until
at least one person puts domcox' eeepc-specific repo to use successfully.
I see there's a v1.5 update to Norsk available.
It has changed Lang=no to Lang=nb. Why?
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There are 2 Norwegian languages, I assume this means the module is in
Bokmål rather than Nynorsk
Cool, that would have never occurred to me...The good side effect is
that you've induced me both to update GS' language listings as well as
to rework how
fred smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm on the waiting list at Amazon for an EEEPC 901, white, Linux. Wondering
if there are any Sword packages already made for that flavor of LInux or
if I'll need to create my own?
domcox made this comment to gnomesword-developers last week:
| I'll be glad
DM Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We have a wiki page regarding Eee PC running Linux.
The downside of that page's recommendation to use the standard Debian
repos is that the version of GnomeSword present there is chronically way
out of date. domcox' builds are always very recent.
GS' current
Chris Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By all means, *please* update the wiki page
Considering that domcox himself wants to hear some test results on use
of that repo, I would prefer that we wait for at least one positive
report before we update info for public consumption. I would hate for
us
Troy A. Griffitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes! I have also been wanting to change preverse title to simply a
preverse div for quite some time! The change WILL REQUIRE EACH FRONTEND
TO MAKE UPDATES, as each look in the EntryAttributes for preverse TITLE
currently.
Well... No, GS
Chris Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please quickly check the WLC text currently in Beta if you have a chance.
It's fine in GS.
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Jonathan Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ThML is also still (I think) used by the greatest percentage of our
modules (though that may be changed in the future).
...
Will GBF continue to be supported? I seem to remember that Chris
reported lack of GBF support as a missing feature in BPBible,
David Haslam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are we allowed to know who the main contact is at WBT/SIL for
permitting these to be used by Crosswire?
I'm sure Troy knows; I'm not personally familiar, but I just looked at
*.conf and noticed origin + date.
I just tried two of these modules in SWORD
Chris Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Charis SIL:
Doulos SIL:
FYI, for Linux users, you can generally get SIL fonts to auto-install
from your package manager, as part of the usual repositories for your
distribution. For Fedora, these are available:
abyssinica-fonts
charis-fonts
doulous-fonts
Chris Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There's no regression. Most of these issues have never been features.
Only JPEG files are supported at this time. GnomeSword uses PNGs. (GIFs
are also not supported. I can see some limited value writing a PNG
decoder, but I can't see value in supporting
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