On Monday 10 December 2001 05:25, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> It's just too easy to use
> an Rapid Application Development environment like Borland's C++Builder
> and their Visual Component Library (VCL). What are my alternatives? To
> use gtk on windows?!
With the Gnome development tools, natur
On Monday 10 December 2001 07:07, Chris Little wrote:
> the sort of person who cavalierly
> brandishes the word "Linux" when referring to the GNU Operating System.
> Please remember that GNU is the OS; Linux is merely one of its kernels.
Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. (-:
A lot of the too
On Monday 10 December 2001 09:54, Chris wrote:
> Ok, I can't resist :-) :-)
A... I was saving that one! (-:
> Acts 2: 44 All the believers were together and had all their source code
> in common.
Cheers; Leon
On Monday 10 December 2001 06:59, Chris wrote:
> You know, American capitalism is not better than socialism because of
> some inherent moral principle. It's better because people are inherently
> lazy, selfish and greedy and aren't prepared to work hard for a common
> good.
Hear, hear! I don't th
On Monday 10 December 2001 13:35, Chris wrote:
>> Turn to James 3:4; small changes in libraries that you have an emotional,
>> work or other investment in can have a large effect on your final product.
> I think you are thinking of 1Cor 5:6 :-)
Same dog, different collar, but yes, 1Co is a bette
On Monday 10 December 2001 12:50, Mike Dougherty wrote:
> I actually love the fact that Java is so strongly typed.
Oddly enough, the JVM isn't strongly typed, and Python is actually a much
better match for it. (-:
http://www.jython.org/
Cheers; Leon
On Tuesday 11 December 2001 11:24, Chris wrote:
> Leon Brooks wrote:
>> On Monday 10 December 2001 12:50, Mike Dougherty wrote:
>>> I actually love the fact that Java is so strongly typed.
>> Oddly enough, the JVM isn't strongly typed, and Python is actually
On Wednesday 12 December 2001 02:01 am, you wrote:
> If the
> Holy Spirit gives a translation should it be marketed?
The conversation runs like this:
A: So, was the Holy Spirit involved in this translation?
B: Why, yes, of course!
A: Oh? Then how much of the success of the translation would yo
On Wednesday 12 December 2001 12:12 pm, you wrote:
> At 02:58 PM 12/11/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>> On Tuesday 11 December 2001 12:01, Jerry Hastings wrote:
>> Jerry The Older (assuming that you are not older than 60!)
> In that case I am Jerry The Younger.
Not Jimmy?
Cheers; Leon (the Younger, a
On Saturday 15 December 2001 01:25, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
>> But in these last times (c), bibles can be mass-produced by anybody
>> digitally, and the issue of licence is suddenly seems important. We need
>> a GNU translation!
> I agree. :-) Just so long as it doesn't operate on too many GNU t
On Wednesday 19 December 2001 18:51, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>> RMS has abruptly ceased
>> conversing with me and with a number of other individuals at various
>> times at the point of discovering that the conversee was a serious
>> Christian, and more particularly a creationist.
> Joy. We pass
On Friday 14 December 2001 05:19, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
on behalf of Jeremy Bettis:
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700
> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.2 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash
> mimedefang)
Good to see a platform-agnostic message. (-:
> You can't expect someone
On Saturday 15 December 2001 14:07, Chris Little wrote:
> And if you're using Linux... well, work on the port I guess. :)
Mandrake 8.1 comes with [goes to look] four different interactive FTP clients
(e.g. gFTP) plus another 5 batch-capable (e.g. ncftpget) which are cluey
about modification dat
On Sunday 16 December 2001 19:47, Chris wrote:
> Maybe there would be various teams like Linux and BSD, each working on
> the type of translation they want. Maybe even a number of acceptable
> translations could be entered into a computerised system, each verse's
> translation rated on a number of
On Thursday 20 December 2001 16:29, Michael Rempel wrote:
> What is intrinsic to business that makes it unspiritual?
No.
What I mean by that is: I did not say that business was unspiritual. You can
climb down off that hobbyhorse now.
What I did say was that running a business *as*a*purpose* co
On Wednesday 19 December 2001 15:48, Chris Little wrote:
> Been there. Done that. :) But apparently we haven't promoted it
> enough, possibly because screenshots of term windows don't look
> cool on a webpage. :)
Use a different term then. eTerm, for example, is easy to make look cool.
I remem
On Thursday 20 December 2001 03:49, Barry Drake wrote:
> at risk of being off topic - are you saying that you can't
> believe in evolution AND be a Christian?
That depends on how long it takes you to run concepts through to their
logical conclusions. In other words, it's a temporary state (but w
On Thursday 20 December 2001 02:16, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
>> RMS has abruptly ceased conversing with
>> me and with a number of other individuals at various times at the point
>> of discovering that the conversee was a serious Christian, and more
>> particularly a creationist.
> Mind if I ask
On Friday 21 December 2001 08:27, Jerry Kreps wrote:
>> This is not completely OT because integrating a creationist (and
>> necessarilyanti-evolutionist) commentary module into Sword's
>> collection is a fabulous idea. As is a
>> resolving-apparent-contradictions module.
> What a splendid idea!
On Friday 21 December 2001 13:50, Chris wrote:
>> The first is a claim to creation ex nihilo, the second
>> the fulfilled prophecy. Other ancient books make creation claims, but all
>> of them involve supernatural beings modifying pre-existent material.
> Don't get me wrong. I'm not an apoligist
Somebody wrote (sorry, I missed the original):
> While I think there are practical benefits to the O.S. movement, I
> believe their is an ideology or better a philosophy that tends to
> undergird it which is unbiblical, that is, to own something is wrong.
Marxism and derivatives, yes. Socialism i
On Friday 21 December 2001 13:51, Michael Rempel wrote:
> Ok, the authoritative text is the Greek and the Hebrew original language
> texts. Translation is no longer valid. Start learning. No other sources
> will do for universal consensus.
Bwahahaha! ROTFL! Consensus! Among those called Christian
On Friday 21 December 2001 02:16, Chris Little wrote:
>> On the other hand you cant have the Torah scroll at my
>> Messianic Synagogue for any price and you would have a hard
>> time getting your hands on one at any price if you wanted
>> one. Jewish scroll dealers dont sell to non-Jews, they dont
On Friday 21 December 2001 03:20, Lutz, Tom wrote:
> I know that we're not missing the main idea but I can't resist...
Wlll... I dunno, I think these things need thrashing out from time to
time, perhaps we need a FAQ entry for it?
> What do we think the main populace of Bible software users
On Friday 21 December 2001 00:17, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
>> Single translation line texts dont have that problem. I can say that the
>> Living Bible is less than scholarly, and show you why, but your notion
>> leaves no way of saying much of anything. If you cant fix the text when
>> it is wron
On Saturday 22 December 2001 00:23, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
>> Being new to the C++ world I have no idea what QT is? I know what JFC
>> (Swing) is, and I know that it's cross platform.
> It's the GUI toolkit that powers the K Desktop Environment (and thus
> BibleTime), Qtopia (the GUI for the up
On Saturday 22 December 2001 07:59, Chris wrote:
>> Winning is getting more work out of a system than the equivilent
>> energy put in.
> The laws of thermodynamics are all about energy and energy
> loss. But the energy into the system called earth is the
> Sun. And while the Sun is burning into s
On Sunday 23 December 2001 01:45, David Burry wrote:
> every news reader I've ever tried sucks, can someone recommend a good news
> reader? or can we move it to an email list?
http://groups.google.com/ ?
Cheers; Leon
On Saturday 22 December 2001 08:06, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Ok, guys... Thanks for the interesting conversation. This is official
> notice to take these threads to the fireside newsgroup:
> news://crosswire.org/crosswire.fireside
Oops, sorry! )-:
Didn't read down far enough.
Cheers;
On Sunday 23 December 2001 10:32, Leon Brooks wrote:
> Didn't read down far enough.
And... error 400, no space on device when writing article.
Cheers; Leon
On Sunday 13 January 2002 01:39, Chris Little wrote:
> We also call the books of the Pentateuch 1-5 Moses respectively in many
> of our localized book names. Does anybody seriously believe that the
> Pentateuch was written by Moses and is not an amalgam of four major
> sources?
The JEDP hypothes
On Sunday 13 January 2002 10:00, chris wrote:
>>> Yes, It would seem even jes-s supposedly did.
Odd. Hyphenating jes-s after the reverent fashion of a Messianic Jew but
apparently not convinced that Messiah is Messiah, as foretold. Please explain?
> As this is the sword-devel list I do not wish
On Monday 14 January 2002 21:02, chris wrote:
> On Monday 14 January 2002 06:49, you wrote:
>> On Sunday 13 January 2002 10:00, chris wrote:
> Yes, It would seem even jes-s supposedly did.
>> Odd. Hyphenating jes-s after the reverent fashion of a Messianic Jew but
>> apparently not convinced
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 02:27, Chris Little wrote:
>> NB: any persons seeing this as an invitation to theological debate may
>> argue amongst themselves at news://crosswire.org/crosswire.fireside.
> So, that said, you have three options:
> 1) Move your discussion to crosswire.fireside, priva
On Monday 21 January 2002 08:53, Lloyd N. Landers, Jr. wrote:
> When you talk about
> "Free Software," are you referring to software that only runs on Linux or
> are you referring to software that runs on Windows?
Straight from the horses' (er, gnus') mouths:
http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/fr
On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:35, Joachim Ansorg wrote:
> Is here some Automake expert?
I wish. (-:
IIRC, there is at least one good AutoMake HOWTO around. Try here:
http://howto.ewtoo.org/show.cgi?howto=autoconf.txt
Cheers; Leon
Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote:
> I agree. I am also getting tired of people making a profit off of water,
> electricity, and food. Didn't god create these things? What right does a
> person have to sell them and make a profit on God's creation?
If God had His way, water and food would be free for the
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:53, Chris Bitmead wrote:
> Daniel Freedman wrote:
>> Look, I have very little money, and quite frankly, it cost me little more
>> than $1.5 each to get a copy of the NIV and Good News Bible.
> Hey, $1.50 isn't much at all is it? Maybe I'll start charging $1.50 to
> get into
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:35, Jaime Herazo B. wrote:
> Hi. I want to make a CD-ROM with various sword programs in it (for
> windows and linux), and to make it standalone
DemoLinux is your friend.
http://www.demolinux.org/
Zero maintenance, zero configuration. Strip off the bits you don't need,
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I dub thee `libDamocles'? (-:
Cheers; Leon
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:27, Joseph Blough wrote:
> As a long time demolinux user, I've found that knoppix
> (http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html) actually performs faster
> than DemoLinux.
Great! Two options (and no doubt more)...
Cheers; Leon
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:40, Chris Little wrote:
> I'm less concerned about apocryphal/pseudepigraphal literature that is
> either Christian in nature or profitable for providing biblical
> background but that does not support other religions or cults.
Hmm. Do I tread on this mine, or not? (-: Let'
On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:34, Chris Little wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Leon Brooks wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:40, Chris Little wrote:
>>> I'm less concerned about apocryphal/pseudepigraphal literature that is
>>> either Christian in nature or profitable for p
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 06:37, Jerry Hastings wrote:
> At 12:19 AM 9/1/2002 +0200, Daniel Freedman wrote:
>> Also I don't think its necessary to state that Sword is "for windows"
> As I understand it, the "for Windows" is to distinguish it from "The SWORD
> Project" and from the SWORD lib.. For Window
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:06, Barry Drake wrote:
> While on the ABS
> website getting a contact e-mail address, I spotted this among their aims:
> "Producing materials that avoid endorsing or advocating any doctrinal
> positions." I quite like that phrase. Maybe we could adopt it for Sword?
It's no
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Today there is an attempt to redefine Christianity.
Where `today' is defined as every day since the serpent spoke to Eve.
> There is a growing Xian movement which is Christianity minus the "real"
> Christ. These individuals pick and chose wha
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 02:04, Todd Pedlar wrote:
> Christians who do not accept Christ's divinity? If Christ is
> not God, then Christ cannot save.
I agree, but they don't.
The immediate (topical) consideration is whether we want to encourage them to
use something other than the NWT or KIT for the
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:17, Danny Freedman wrote:
> the Sword Project is the only one of its
> kind anywhere in the world, even leading software
> bible programs do not have the diversity in Sword...
> Don't spoil it with limitations based on doctrine...we
> have enough limitations as a result of co
On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:42, Joel Mawhorter wrote:
> If any of you can think of an example of something that you do
> with the current regular expression searching that won't be possible with
> what I described above, please let me know.
All verses containing two or more of God, Good or Greed: (g[or
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 04:12, Chris Little wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Jerry Hastings wrote:
>> At 12:48 AM 9/9/2002 +0800, Leon Brooks wrote:
>>> All verses containing two or more of God, Good or Greed: (g[ore]*d){2,}
>> I don't believe that gives the desired re
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 04:32, Chris Little wrote:
> The REAL reason to keep it is because of geek appeal. What kind of free
> software project would we be if we didn't support regex? :) And isn't
> there some unwritten rule about requiring Linux programs to use regex?
Actually, I think the litmus
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:40, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> The PURPOSE of CrossWire is to release free opensource code. A non-GPL
> license issued to a publisher or Bible Society, as an exception, would
> allow them to encorporate pieces of the project into their software
> without making their s
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:13, Chris Little wrote:
> there has never been any suggestion that we go to any license that
> is not open-source except by those who see this as a way of convincing
> copyright holders that Sword is secure.
Now there is a non-sequitur if ever there was one. If the code is G
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:56, Derek Neighbors wrote:
> I could see if they were claiming they were modifying in some way that
> was 'artful' or changing the content, but my understanding would be if
> they were changing the meaning, then in effect who would want to read
> their version
Lots of pe
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:26, Chris Little wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Leon Brooks wrote:
>> LGPL will achieve this directly. Wrapping a CLI program ("engine") with a
>> proprietary GUI will also achieve this with fully GPLed software.
> I think you missed the point.
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:40, Chris Little wrote:
> BibleSoft's
> implementation is particularly onerous and makes the software mostly
> useless for even normal stuff. It's pretty well impossible for us to
> prevent things like that. But even with these programs, a dedicated
> individual could manu
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:26, Chris Little wrote:
> You can look back through our archives for discussions of why
> LGPL is just the world's stupidest license because vagueries of GPL allow
> any dynamic linking to not violate the license, making GPL == LGPL.
Fine, I have no real problem with using e
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:46, Chris Little wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Leon Brooks wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:26, Chris Little wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Leon Brooks wrote:
>>>> LGPL will achieve this directly. Wrapping a CLI program ("engine"
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:22, Scott Thomas wrote:
> Perhaps an online "petition", getting people to simply add their name
> to a message requesting release of the module would help to show that
> the interest is substantial.
Or not. (-:
I would be tempted to not contact the supplier until one of th
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:30, Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Troy A. Griffitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> I might show you the text that, through much prayer and soul searching,
>> filled a single screen on my computer this morning, but greater than the
>> result, I t
On Wednesday 09 October 2002 08:37 pm, anton & kylie wrote:
> I too have just updated to Mandrake 9.0 and believe that my problems are
> just the same as Fred outlined below.
RedHat 8 should break it too, in theory.
Cheers; Leon
On Thursday 05 December 2002 07:04 am, John Gardner wrote:
> 1) Christ himself (and the apostles) quoted the septuagint (as opposed to
> the original hebrew) as authoritative.
Did they? Are you sure that wasn't an adaptation of the kind that keeps
now-extinct place-names current?
Anyway, if we
On Thursday 05 December 2002 01:41 pm, Daniel Russell wrote:
> Regardless of whether or not that tool is deemed necessary from a
> *religious* point of view, include it if nothing else than for the sake
> of scholastic authenticity.
> You yourself may not use the tool, but others will,
> and the w
On Thursday 05 December 2002 03:14 pm, Martin Gruner wrote:
> It is a pity that all the time people who never contributed a single thing
> to the Sword project want to be the ones who make the decisions.
`Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, teach teachers.
I'm looking to convert some HTML docs to work with Sword. It would help me a
lot to have a concise working example of one of the intermediate forms (ThML
or OSIS) that's not organised as a Bible or Commentary, just a plain ol'
document.
Cheers; Leon
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 02:34 pm, Chris Little wrote:
> I'm think that XML tutorials are outside the scope or the project, since
> there are hundreds of tutorials on the web for this.
Yeah, but... as I said a day or two ago, a set of small, working samples would
be very helpful.
Cheers; Leon
On Monday 10 March 2003 02:22 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What software is needed?
> How do I get it?
> Can it be purchased via US mail.
> I run a Win32 system and use Microsoft products in development.
> C++ for Windows
> running windows 98.
That needn't be a handicap. CygWin and a cross-co
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 06:39 pm, Daniel Glassey wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2003 at 2:11, Daniel Russell sent forth the message:
>> I have a technical question: can .NET and GPL be mixed
> www.go-mono.org
> plenty of GPL'd .NET there ;)
For now. Microsoft have started patenting things.
Cheers; Le
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 05:11 am, DJ WIce wrote:
> 2)
> As far as I have seen the config files talk about ZIP encoding. If I'm
> correct that's based of the same algoritm als GIF files. PHP GD did stop
> the support for GIF files because of copyright problems.
> Is this copyright thing not a probl
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:44, Pham, Khoi wrote:
> I finally got the Windows version compiled and linked with BCB6 after
> downloading both Sword and icu-sword from CVS.
Dunno if it's been raised before, but it's possible to produce
MS-Windows EXEs from GCC, either on Linux or using MinGW under
MS-W
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 04:06, Chris Little wrote:
> And it nonetheless stands; Linux users who don't know how to compile
> for themselves need to learn (or move back to Windows).
Or, to read this another way, if you're an _administrator_ instead of a
user, compiling should be no problem. Users of th
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 22:04, Brook Humphrey wrote:
> make sure they are in mandrake also
Yah, they're ramping up to the 9.2 release now (should hit the streets
in September).
Currently Texstar provides 3rd-party RPMs for Mandrake on his site
(start at http://www.pclinuxonline.com/) but I think we
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 02:54, Brook Humphrey wrote:
> The current ones in co[n]trib were placed
> there by buchan but were originally done by me
If they're still in contrib, perhaps we should ask again that they trot
across to main. There was some discussion of this on Cooker a while
back.
Cheers;
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:07, Rev. Michael Paul Johnson wrote:
> A commercial project can use PD code or LGPL code, but it
> cannot use GPL code.
False. Many of them do, the classic example being Microsoft's Services
For Unix (SFU), which includes not just GPLed code but the GNU Compiler
Collection
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:24, Rev. Michael Paul Johnson wrote:
>> A commercial project is quite at liberty to include GPLed code,
>> providing that any derivatives are also GPLed.
> Yes, but then it is not "commercial." [...] I mean that it is
> restricted from modification, distribution, and sale ex
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:10, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Don't ever open attachments.
Or use Linux or Mac OS X, and open them without a care. (-:
> My guess is that the world is gonna
> have to start signing emails soon.
There are still several less draconian ways of savagely reducing spam
and vir
On Thu, 6 May 2004 21:43, Leandro GuimarÃes Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote:
> Em Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:36:54 +0200, Werner Gimpel escreveu:
>> You may need the .Net runtimes
> Sigh...
Ooer, "dotNyet!" strikes again! :-( port *that*, suckers! )-:
Cheers; Leon
_
On Friday 08 October 2004 23:42, Brook Humphrey wrote:
> I cant help you out much till mandrake 10.1 is released in the
> next couple [of] weeks.
Mandrake 10.1 (at least, Cooker as of yesterday) seems to ship with:
sword-1.5.7a-1mdk
If I want a later version I typically pull the SRPM, add th
On Tuesday 23 August 2005 07:15, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote:
> the law says that this is stealing
No. Stealing involves the original owner not having the item stolen, and
thus being deprived of its use. This is not stealing.
The law says that this is illegal copying. David should be delighted
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