Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-28 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Manfred Bergmann wrote: > Hi. > > What is meant by "Ancillary texts" and "Verse Lists"? Ancillary texts - find a better word please, but I meant introductory stuff , chapter 0 etc. Verse Lists - this is search results (+/- manually created lists) which can be used to work through a subject. P

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-28 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi. What is meant by "Ancillary texts" and "Verse Lists"? Manfred Am 28.02.2009 um 04:59 schrieb Daniel Owens: With DM's cautions/suggestions in mind, I created some content for the page I suggested for the wiki (http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Choosing_a_Sword_Program ). I envision factual

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (BT for windows)

2009-02-28 Thread Greg Hellings
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote: > Quoting Geoffrey W Hasstings : > >> Do you have an idea when it will be available for test on windows vista. >> >> > > Greg H said he could do it Sunday evening. There exists already one package > but the icons don't work and it crashes too

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (BT for windows)

2009-02-28 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
Quoting Geoffrey W Hasstings : Do you have an idea when it will be available for test on windows vista. Greg H said he could do it Sunday evening. There exists already one package but the icons don't work and it crashes too much. We hope these will be fixed in the next package. --Eeli

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (BT for windows)

2009-02-28 Thread Geoffrey W Hasstings
Do you have an idea when it will be available for test on windows vista. On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:33:25 +0200 Eeli Kaikkonen writes: > Quoting Geoffrey W Hasstings : > > > Is there a version of BIBLE TIME for windows available? > > > > > > Yes and no. It has been built and run but doesn't work

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-28 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Peter von Kaehne writes: > I have just now added a colum GUI languages. OK, but 2 things: - The format has been mangled a bit, because you've put Read Aloud in but it shows up under "Portable" :-) - Dom will be annoyed that you left French off the GUI languages list. __

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-28 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > My difficulty with the table layout is that it relegates "special > features" to just a column on the right that will be very easy to > overfill, to the point of making it unusable, unreadable. But it is > exactly per-app special features that can determine which app has t

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-28 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
My difficulty with the table layout is that it relegates "special features" to just a column on the right that will be very easy to overfill, to the point of making it unusable, unreadable. But it is exactly per-app special features that can determine which app has the particular featurefulness th

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-27 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
Daniel Owens wrote: With DM's cautions/suggestions in mind, I created some content for the page I suggested for the wiki (http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Choosing_a_Sword_Program). I envision factual informations about features, not value judgments. It is a place to showcase the positive features

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-27 Thread Daniel Owens
With DM's cautions/suggestions in mind, I created some content for the page I suggested for the wiki (http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Choosing_a_Sword_Program). I envision factual informations about features, not value judgments. It is a place to showcase the positive features of each application

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-27 Thread David Troidl
As someone who's used BibleCS since before there was a viable alternative on Windows, I've seen applications arise for other platforms, and the net. Until recently, there wasn't such a push to establish the others on Windows, and I haven't tried most of them. Basically, I've had something tha

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-27 Thread DM Smith
On Feb 27, 2009, at 2:46 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote: Am 27.02.2009 um 02:02 schrieb Peter von Kaehne: 2. Add a comparison table for desktop front-ends called "Which SWORD application is right for me?" or something like that. I would be happy to contribute to this. It could include columns

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-27 Thread Jonathan Morgan
All, This is not in reply to any particular email, but a general statement. I am afraid that I have used overly emotive words and said things in haste that I might not have said if I had thought longer and harder. It may also have appeared too hasty and jumped to conclusions too fast: if so, that

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-27 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
Quoting Geoffrey W Hasstings : Is there a version of BIBLE TIME for windows available? Yes and no. It has been built and run but doesn't work yet completely. I expect the most serious issues (crashes) to be solved soon, then it would be ready for publishing and beta testing. See http://d

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 27.02.2009 um 02:02 schrieb Peter von Kaehne: 2. Add a comparison table for desktop front-ends called "Which SWORD application is right for me?" or something like that. I would be happy to contribute to this. It could include columns for OS's supported, RtoL support, localization, layout

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS Why I prefer CS

2009-02-26 Thread Geoffrey W Hasstings
I agree. I am not a programmer but a user of the software. CS Advantages 1.verse list feature a. verse list will switch to what ever translation you have open. You can print the same list in different languages with just a couple of clicks. I usually teach and preach from verse lists.

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Chris Morgan
David, On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:31 AM, David Troidl wrote: > I'm coming late to this thread. But as a BibleCS user, though I haven't > sampled all the alternatives, I am also using BPBible portable on my flash > drive at school. I have to say there is no comparison. I stick by BibleCS. I'm

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Geoffrey W Hasstings
Is there a version of BIBLE TIME for windows available? On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:02:32 +0200 Eeli Kaikkonen writes: > Quoting Jonathan Morgan : > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts > > wrote: > >> Congratulations guys!!! This is great news! Our Windows users > now have > >>

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Daniel Owens
I must not have the right to create new pages on the wiki, so I will need someone to create one for me to start working on what I proposed. It could be called "What SWORD Application is Right for Me?". Daniel Peter von Kaehne wrote: Daniel Owens wrote: This discussion about depre

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Daniel Owens wrote: > This discussion about deprecating BibleCS is no doubt fueled by the fact > that it's name suggests it is THE flagship program for Windows. To be > sure, for English (and other ascii-friendly languages) users, it is a > feature rich alternative. However, given that it has limit

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Daniel Owens
This discussion about deprecating BibleCS is no doubt fueled by the fact that it's name suggests it is THE flagship program for Windows. To be sure, for English (and other ascii-friendly languages) users, it is a feature rich alternative. However, given that it has limitations with regard to no

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread DM Smith
On Feb 26, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: I applaud Xiphos and BibleTime for coming to Windows. Each provides a different way at approaching God's Word. Now we have 5 major, supported frontends for Windows that people can choose from! (I'm including AlKitab) But not, it appears

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> I applaud Xiphos and BibleTime for coming to Windows. Each provides a >> different way at approaching God's Word. Now we have 5 major, supported >> frontends for Windows that people can choose from! (I'm including AlKitab) > > But not, it appears, including BPBible, whic

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:49 AM, DM Smith wrote: > Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Congratulations guys!!! This is great news!  Our Windows users now have >>> choices 4+ choices!   We're really going to have to redo our CD auto

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, DM Smith wrote: > Most of the criticisms that I hear about BibleCS relate to how it looks, > not what it does. I think Manfred's comment about people not developing > for the Mac is true for Windows too. What developer has jumped in to > improve BibleCS? > The used GUI toolkit

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread DM Smith
Jonathan Morgan wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Congratulations guys!!! This is great news! Our Windows users now have choices 4+ choices! We're really going to have to redo our CD autorun splash to present these choices to our users. This is now t

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread David Troidl
Hello everyone, I'm coming late to this thread. But as a BibleCS user, though I haven't sampled all the alternatives, I am also using BPBible portable on my flash drive at school. I have to say there is no comparison. I stick by BibleCS. Peace, David

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 26.02.2009 um 17:01 schrieb Mark Trompell: Am Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:43:25 + schrieb Manfred Bergmann : I think even though many people have Macs nowadays, very few do development on it. And then there is Objective-C and Interface Builder which are languages tools only available to Mac. T

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Mark Trompell
Am Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:43:25 + schrieb Manfred Bergmann : > I think even though many people have Macs nowadays, very few do > development on it. And then there is Objective-C and Interface > Builder which are languages tools only available to Mac. That makes > it more difficult for people c

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 26.02.2009 um 14:59 schrieb Eeli Kaikkonen: Quoting Karl Kleinpaste : Eeli Kaikkonen writes: But if you allow me to go back to BibleTime - ... At the moment we have less manpower than Xiphos have had for some time To me, that's an extraordinary and peculiar claim, considering the dear

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
Quoting Karl Kleinpaste : Eeli Kaikkonen writes: But if you allow me to go back to BibleTime - ... At the moment we have less manpower than Xiphos have had for some time To me, that's an extraordinary and peculiar claim, considering the dearth of contributors (at least in SVN commits, other

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Barry Drake
Hi there Jonathan Morgan wrote: Without doubt it should be deprecated and stated clearly as being utterly unsupported and moved down the list at least as far as LCDBible. First: congratulatiions to the BT team. For my part, I have not used BibleCS since the Windows Xiphos. Now I ha

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS

2009-02-26 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Eeli Kaikkonen writes: > But if you allow me to go back to BibleTime - ... At the moment > we have less manpower than Xiphos have had for some time To me, that's an extraordinary and peculiar claim, considering the dearth of contributors (at least in SVN commits, other than in interface translat

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote: > Quoting Jonathan Morgan : > >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts >> wrote: >>> >>> Congratulations guys!!! This is great news!  Our Windows users now have >>> choices 4+ choices!   We're really going to have to redo our C

Re: [sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
Quoting Jonathan Morgan : On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Congratulations guys!!! This is great news!  Our Windows users now have choices 4+ choices!   We're really going to have to redo our CD autorun splash to present these choices to our users. This is now the t

[sword-devel] Getting rid of BibleCS (was Re: [bt-devel] Eureka!!)

2009-02-26 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Congratulations guys!!! This is great news!  Our Windows users now have > choices 4+ choices!   We're really going to have to redo our CD autorun > splash to present these choices to our users. This is now the time to consider again rem