Troy wrote,
"No. diatheke is certainly not the gold standard for seeing anything.
Diatheke has bugs of its own.
I personally use word/examples/cmdline/lookup.cpp to check all info
about what SWORD output from a module entry to a frontend for a particular
format.
This is also a challenge for using USFM, let alone OSIS and SWORD front-ends.
In some AV11N, the CT is sometimes only part of verse 1.
There are also at least 2 Psalms where the CT extends into verse 2 and 1 Psalm
where the CT actually creeps into verse 3 with a single word consisting of a
Hi Tom,
It's very easy to create a deb with the xiphos sources. Just see the
"Generating DEB Packages" in the install.md. Then you'll have the last
release.
Le 08/05/2020 à 19:59, Tom Sullivan a écrit :
> Y'all:
>
> Thank you all for your interactions. I honestly have been trying to
> help, not
While the OSIS spec has one definition of canonical, being part of the
published text. Regarding Bibles, Troy pointed out, we use it in the
theological sense for Bible modules.
There are many versifications that have the canonical titles as verse 1. and
what we have as verse 1 to n in verse 2
Hi Tom,
Thank you. I do realize you are not trying to waste anyone's time and
your frustrations with our lack of supply clear version strings are
noted. Great suggestion for improvement, thank you.
To improve this, I have just committed new logic to add the "repository
revision" into the the
Aside: Where do all the fancy colours come from, that I don’t see in Xiphos on
Windows ?
NB. Except in the Preview pane for some types of search results when the search
key (or part if it) is yellow highlighted.
David
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On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 14:28, Karl Kleinpaste
The original Hebrew text had no “verse numbers”.
It’s anachronistic to assert that it did.
See
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_of_the_Bible](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_of_the_Bible?wprov=sfti1)
Modern printed editions of the MT have verse numbers
Closed. Mea culpa.
Thanks to DM for explaining.
“The pre-verse div is a construct by osis2mod. These are milestoned to mark the
beginning and end of pre-verse material.”
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On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 14:22, David Haslam wrote:
> I have created issue MOD-367 for this
I think our replies crossed in the ether, Tom.
Canonical is simply not a theological matter in OSIS.
David
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On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 15:28, Tom Sullivan wrote:
> Y'all:
>
> Thanks David.
>
> The Psalm titles are considered canonical because they are the Word of
>
One of the subtleties of OSIS is that the canonical attribute is actually not a
theological matter.
It’s easy to jump to the wrong conclusion that SWORD treats it as if it was.
It’s actually a technical attribute relating to the published work it
represents in digital format.
So it can just as
The difference is that JSword never hides titles with canonical=“true” even
with Headings OFF.
SWORD does and always has done.
David
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On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 15:00, Tom Sullivan wrote:
> Karl:
>
> I cannot explain the difference between your linked picture and my
>
Y'all:
Thank you all for your interactions. I honestly have been trying to
help, not just waste everybody's time. But I am not a C++ programmer. I
know enough Python to be dangerous. I can do some occasional maintenance
on C. All the languages I once knew are obsolete or specific to
I have created issue MOD-367 for this module bug.
David
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On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 13:55, David Haslam wrote:
> Is this simply because the OSIS file used for module build made use of the
> milestone form of the div element ?
>
> SWORD does not support that, IIRC.
>
>
So, a few things here.
On 5/8/20 9:57 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
> Troy, Karl:
>
> (Karl:
> [NASB]
> Heading=On)
I have no idea what you are showing here. This looks like a .conf
setting. Xiphos may pay attention to Heading=On, but this doesn't mean
anything to SWORD.
> I am using Debian Buster
Troy, Karl:
(Karl:
[NASB]
Heading=On)
I am using Debian Buster (10) (stable). This is the current stable
version of Debian and is the one generally recommended. It is the
version those of us who have work to do use, rather than mess with a
buggy OS. (There is a more recent Debian version
Is this simply because the OSIS file used for module build made use of the
milestone form of the div element ?
SWORD does not support that, IIRC.
I just looked at the mod2imp dump for the NASB.
There are 2250 instances of this type of div, each with an sID and an eID.
Aside: Repeating the
On 5/8/20 12:30 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> It sounds like Karl is saying that the latest version of
> Xiphos works. Is this correct?
Tom's report seems to indicate that no headers are displayed, no matter
what he does. This makes no sense to me, because headers on/off has been
part of Xiphos
Good morning!
So, lots of conversation. I've read it all and can't determine if there
is still a problem to be fixed.
First, it sounds like Tom is using an old version of software. Please
be sure you are using the latest version of software before pursuing
problems. It sounds like Karl is
My reference to verse numbers was only to show that others also
considered the Psalm titles to be canonical.
Tom Sullivan
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FAX: 815-301-2835
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On 5/8/20 11:01 AM, David Haslam wrote:
The original Hebrew text had no “verse numbers”.
It’s anachronistic
On 5/8/20 10:49 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
> My Biblia Hebraica treats Psalm titles as the first verse, indicating
> biblical canonacity and in line with Hebrew versification.
No one is questioning canonicity.
It's a matter of some code, and whether it fully represents what was
intended. In other
The pre-verse div is a construct by osis2mod. These are milestoned to mark the
beginning and end of pre-verse material.
DM
> On May 8, 2020, at 8:55 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>
> Is this simply because the OSIS file used for module build made use of the
> milestone form of the div element ?
>
Y'all:
My Biblia Hebraica treats Psalm titles as the first verse, indicating
biblical canonacity and in line with Hebrew versification.
Note the following from OSIS doc, OSIS.pdf:
Appendix B.2.10 titles
The type attribute on the title element is used to allow special
rendering of particular
osis2mod preserves properly marked Psalm titles before verse 1 as part of that
verse. Other titles (and other pre-verse content) will either be put in verse 0
or in verse 1 based on other considerations. This is documented in the wiki for
osis2mod.
In Him,
DM
> On May 8, 2020, at
Y'all:
Thanks David.
The Psalm titles are considered canonical because they are the Word of
God! If Sword does not display them when the user would expect them,
that that is monkeying with God's Word and completely unacceptable. The
Psalm titles are theologically and exegetically
On 5/8/20 10:00 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
> because Psalm titles are canonical, front-ends should put a difference
> in display between them and human editor supplied titles.
It's a fine idea, but it requires (in the xhtml case) the engine to wrap
such titles in a suitable so that a CSS control
Karl:
I cannot explain the difference between your linked picture and my
results on Xiphos 4.1.0. The problem survived unchecking/rechecking and
reboot.
But if you look at my first email, you will note that diatheke does
produce Psalm titles for ESV2011 and KJV, but after the first verse.
On 5/8/20 8:21 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
> Yes, the box is checked.
The reason I ask is that I see this just fine in Xiphos.
http://karl.kleinpaste.org/xiphos/nasb-ps-5-1.png
(pardon the colors, I do CSS things to make certain stuff really obvious.)
diatheke doesn't produce headers, not even when
Yes, the box is checked.
Note also that diatheke has the same problem.
Tom Sullivan
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On 5/8/20 7:06 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
On 5/8/20 5:55 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
Xiphos 4.1.0 displays titles for ESV2011, not NASB
Have you
On 5/8/20 5:55 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
> Xiphos 4.1.0 displays titles for ESV2011, not NASB
Have you enabled headings in NASB's module options?
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Y'all:
The NASB module, in combination with Sword, does not seem to treat Psalm
titles as canonical. As noted below, JSword does not seem to have the
problem, Sword does. So is there some incompatibility or bad OSIS going
on here?
Thanks.
Details below. Comparisons with other modules.
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