Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2023-03-25 Thread Tobias Klein
ow to make it work, but I do think it is there and functioning. Peter Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird autocorrects. Original Message Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping From: Jamie To: 'SWORD Developers' Collaboration

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping (SWORD + JSword)

2020-05-11 Thread Костя Маслюк
> > > > > > Blessings. > > > > *From: *Troy A. Griffitts > *Sent: *10 мая 2020 г. 20:53 > *To: *SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum > *Subject: *Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping (SWORD + JSword) > > > > Applied. Thank you Костя! >

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping (SWORD + JSword)

2020-05-10 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
<mailto:scr...@crosswire.org> > *Sent: *10 мая 2020 г. 20:53 > *To: *SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum > <mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org> > *Subject: *Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping (SWORD + JSword) > >   > > Applied.  Thank you Костя! > &g

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping (SWORD + JSword)

2020-05-10 Thread Костя Маслюк
t: Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping (SWORD + JSword) Applied.  Thank you Костя!Do you remember if there was a particular obstacle preventing us from sharing mapping data between SWORD and JSword.  It's been so long and I wasn't deeply involved in those discussion.  It sure would be nic

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping (SWORD + JSword)

2020-05-10 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
but I do not sure about text to use > for NRSVA (NRSV too) > >   > >   > > Blessings > >   > > *From: *Troy A. Griffitts <mailto:scr...@crosswire.org> > *Sent: *6 мая 2020 г. 22:28 > *To: *sword-devel@crosswire.org <mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org&

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping (SWORD + JSword)

2020-05-10 Thread Костя Маслюк
me the texts best to compare, for base v11n I use KJVA, but I do not sure about text to use for NRSVA (NRSV too)  Blessings From: Troy A. GriffittsSent: 6 мая 2020 г. 22:28To: sword-devel@crosswire.org; Костя МаслюкSubject: Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping (SWORD + JSword) Dear John, Jamie

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-09 Thread Caleb Maclennan
On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 9:45 AM Tobias Klein wrote: > @all: Who would be interested in this in general? We could start with tags > / topical verse lists. > I would. For my tastes and potential use cases something that split the difference between a complete live persistence and a static import/e

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-08 Thread Tobias Klein
for a while now included in the library. I am not sure how to make it work, but I do think it is there and functioning. Peter Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird autocorrects. Original Message Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping From: J

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-07 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
=> Psalms 44:21-Psalms 44:22 (FreGeneve1669) >> >> Hope this helps, >> Troy >> >> >> >> >> >> On 5/6/20 7:07 AM, ref...@gmx.net wrote: >>> I think transparent mapping has been for a while now included in the >>> library. I a

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-07 Thread Tobias Klein
been for a while now included in the >> library. I am not sure how to make it work, but I do think it is there and >> functioning. >> >> Peter >> >> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird autocorrects. >> >> >>

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-06 Thread David Haslam
ake use of it, I’d be very happy to try to answer any >> questions. >> >> Regards, >> >> ARA “Jamie” Jamieson >> >> From: Tobias Klein [mailto:cont...@tklein.info] >> Sent: 05 May 2020 21:19 >> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping (SWORD + JSword)

2020-05-06 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
-NC.txt_ >   > If you do want to make use of it, I’d be very happy to try to answer > any questions. >   > Regards, >   > ARA “Jamie” Jamieson >   >   >   > *From:* Tobias Klein [ _mailto:contact@tklein.info_ ]  > *Sent:* 05 May 2020 21:19 > *To:* SWORD Develope

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-06 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Well, sure, instead of the module's name, more precisely you'd need to know the versification reference system name (the KJV module happens to use KJV versification system, so in this case it is the same), then you can simply use VerseKey: VerseKey key; key.setVersificationSystem("KJV"); key.setTe

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-06 Thread Michael H
If a ThML or OSIS genbook references a specific version (KJV Psalm 23:6), but the installed versions don't include KJV, and the user wants to see it in russynodal, would this functionality help? That is, does this table rely on the installed modules? or is it built in a way that references for some

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-06 Thread ref...@gmx.net
: Re: [sword-devel] Versification MappingFrom: Tobias Klein To: sword-devel@crosswire.orgCC: Ok, thanks. I think before other options I'll look into the built-in SWORD versification functions. But anyway, thanks for sharing this resource! T

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-06 Thread Tobias Klein
.info] *Sent:* 06 May 2020 17:05 *To:* SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum *Subject:* Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping Hi Jamie, Thanks. I had a look at the data, that’s quite complex! Even a bit intimidating ... I suppose STEPBible has some library functions that parse this data? Can

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-06 Thread John Dudeck
ns.   Regards,   ARA “Jamie” Jamieson       From: Tobias Klein [ mailto:cont...@tklein.info ]  Sent: 05 May 2020 21:19 To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum < sword-devel@crosswire.org > Subject: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping   Hi, I would like to ask a question that I was plan

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-06 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
ng. > > Peter > > Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird > autocorrects. > > > Original Message > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping > From: Jamie > To: 'SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum'

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-06 Thread Jamie
be happy to try to explain it – let me know. Jamie From: Tobias Klein [mailto:cont...@tklein.info] Sent: 06 May 2020 17:05 To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping Hi Jamie, Thanks. I had a look at the data, that’s quite co

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-06 Thread Tobias Klein
any > questions. > > Regards, > > ARA “Jamie” Jamieson > > > > From: Tobias Klein [mailto:cont...@tklein.info] > Sent: 05 May 2020 21:19 > To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum > Subject: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping > > Hi, > &g

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-06 Thread ref...@gmx.net
C.txt If you do want to make use of it, I’d be very happy to try to answer any questions. Regards, ARA “Jamie” Jamieson   From: Tobias Klein [mailto:cont...@tklein.info] Sent: 05 May 2020 21:19To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum Subject: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping Hi,I would li

Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-06 Thread Jamie
questions. Regards, ARA “Jamie” Jamieson From: Tobias Klein [mailto:cont...@tklein.info] Sent: 05 May 2020 21:19 To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum Subject: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping Hi, I would like to ask a question that I was planning to ask for a

[sword-devel] Versification Mapping

2020-05-05 Thread Tobias Klein
Hi, I would like to ask a question that I was planning to ask for a while already ... What's the recommended solution of mapping different versification systems? And what working implementations for this are already out there? I realize that my understanding of versifications has been a bit l

Re: [sword-devel] Versification test modules in CrossWire Experimental ...

2018-09-29 Thread DM Smith
There’s also the need for v11n mapping to the KJV. In Him, DM > On Sep 29, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Andrew T. wrote: > > Is this just a matter of creating the canon_xxx.h files or is there more to > it? I've been playing around with alternate versifications (creating > canon_xxx.h files and

Re: [sword-devel] Versification test modules in CrossWire Experimental ...

2018-09-29 Thread Andrew T.
Is this just a matter of creating the canon_xxx.h files or is there more to it? I've been playing around with alternate versifications (creating canon_xxx.h files and them modifying versificationmgr.cpp to support). But I'm not a professional programmer even if I dabble .. On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at

[sword-devel] Versification test modules in CrossWire Experimental ...

2018-04-04 Thread David Haslam
Would somebody like to volunteer to create the missing Versification test modules in CrossWire Experimental? i.e. For all those av11n more recent than for MinimumVersion=1.6.1 SwordVersionDate=2009-12-22 Best regards, David Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.__

Re: [sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-27 Thread David Haslam
Resubmitted during the last hour with minor update to wycliffe.conf Though earlier I'd forgotten to include this line GlobalOptionFilter=OSISHeadings it has no real bearing on the other problem I just reported in a new thread. Best regards, David -- View this message in context: http://swo

Re: [sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-27 Thread David Haslam
Module submitted to the "modules team" along with validated OSIS XML file and covering email. Best regards, David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Versification-for-the-Complete-Wycliffe-Bible-tp4657012p4657030.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list ar

Re: [sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-27 Thread David Haslam
Now fixed the matter of the *Prayer of Manasseh* that had been inappropriately assigned in Wikisource as 2 Chronicles 37. The fix was done after the work was converted to OSIS XML, just as I did earlier for the *Letter of Jeremiah*. btw. The side-effect of the misplaced title for Ezra has gone,

Re: [sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-26 Thread David Haslam
After fixing several further versification issues on Wikisource (mainly misplaced chapter headings), I've reached the stage where osis2mod gives only SEVEN appending advisories. * Deut.27.27 * 2Chr.37.1 (/Prayer of Manasseh/) * The title in Ezra (this is merely an unexpected consequence of the ex

Re: [sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-25 Thread David Haslam
I have reached the stage where I can compare the new Wycliffe module *v2.0* with the old Wycliffe module *v1.0* which was for the *Pentateuch and Gospels* only. This has brought to light the fact that v1.0 contains 299 in-line notes in the form: *[Note: . ]*. These are *not* included in the W

Re: [sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-25 Thread David Haslam
The long prayer is actually known as "[This preyere of Manasses is not in Ebrue]" See *page 475* in http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/cme/AFZ9170.0001.001/1:18.37?rgn=div2;view=fulltext It's part of the prologue to the book of Ezra (I Esdras) in Wycliffe's Bible. It's not adequately marked up on

Re: [sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-25 Thread David Haslam
Just corrected the versification on Wikisource for https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(Wycliffe)/3_Esdras See https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Talk:Bible_(Wycliffe)/3_Esdras "This is the 9 chapter book of Greek Ezra in the LXX, called 2 Esdras in Russian Bibles, and called 3 Esdras in the Vulgate

Re: [sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-25 Thread David Haslam
The prayer mentioned in my earlier reply is counted as *2 Chronicles 36:24-27* in this site: http://www.bible.pearmobile.com/chapters.php?id=10403&pid=16&tid=1&bid=76 Viz. (below my sign off) That site omits the Deuterocanonical books, though. David --- 24 Lord God Almyyti of our fadris,

Re: [sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-25 Thread David Haslam
Progressing with the module build. After I generated the OSIS file, I manually replaced *EpJer.1* with *Bar.6* and joined the two books together by removing the and in between *Bar.5* and *Bar.6* Now I've come across something new that I'd not read of before. A long single verse prayer as *2Ch

Re: [sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-25 Thread David Haslam
This is why I encountered such a problem. The av11n for *Vulg* uses the /standard/ *osisID* names for *Esther* and *Daniel* rather than the more specific names for *Greek Esther* and *Greek Daniel*. The Python script *wycliffe.py* uses the latter, along with the corresponding USFM names. Strictly

Re: [sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-24 Thread David Haslam
Afterthought: I will upload my copy of *wycliffe.py* to GitHub at some stage, so that anyone can clone it and adapt it for other Bibles on Wikisource. It captures the text from the *Special* download pages and converts each of them to USFM. Acknowledgements to Chris Little (more than three years

[sword-devel] Versification for the Complete Wycliffe Bible ?

2017-03-24 Thread David Haslam
The complete 76 book text for the *Wycliffe Bible* is available on Wikisource at https:\\en.wikisource.org\wiki\Bible_(Wycliffe) I have already converted the text to USFM and thence to OSIS XML. The text had not been altered since I previously captured the text in January 2014. Back then I merely

Re: [sword-devel] Versification discovery? [Was: Re: French versifications, was Re: FreJND and HebDelitzsch released]

2015-08-24 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2015-08-24, 20:16 GMT, Greg Hellings wrote: > Outside of that, I can't see what you've changed in the script because > you managed to change just about every single line in your zeal to > achieve PEP-8 compliance so I can't begin to comment on whether the > problems are with my original logic or

Re: [sword-devel] Versification discovery? [Was: Re: French versifications, was Re: FreJND and HebDelitzsch released]

2015-08-24 Thread Greg Hellings
So what that's telling you is that your module has a strict subset of all of those versioning schemes. "Your file has no extra references" means that there are no attributes named "osisID" that exist in your module that do not exist in the specified versification system. That it reports such for AL

Re: [sword-devel] Versification discovery? [Was: Re: French versifications, was Re: FreJND and HebDelitzsch released]

2015-08-24 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2015-08-24, 18:21 GMT, Greg Hellings wrote: > Specifically: > http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/av11n.py I have found it and start to work on it (it didn’t work out of the box). My current branch (with PEP8ification, and changes I found needed) is at the git repo http

Re: [sword-devel] Versification discovery? [Was: Re: French versifications, was Re: FreJND and HebDelitzsch released]

2015-08-24 Thread Greg Hellings
Specifically: http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/av11n.py --Greg On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > Sword-tools repo > > Sent from my phone. Apologies for brevity and typos.On 24 Aug 2015 1:52 pm, > Matěj Cepl wrote: >> >> On 2015-08-23, 21:04 GMT,

Re: [sword-devel] Versification discovery? [Was: Re: French versifications, was Re: FreJND and HebDelitzsch released]

2015-08-24 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Sword-tools repo Sent from my phone. Apologies for brevity and typos.On 24 Aug 2015 1:52 pm, Matěj Cepl wrote: > > On 2015-08-23, 21:04 GMT, Greg Hellings wrote: > > I had submitted a Python script somewhere that simply walks through every > > Could you elaborate a little bit on that “somewhere”

Re: [sword-devel] Versification discovery? [Was: Re: French versifications, was Re: FreJND and HebDelitzsch released]

2015-08-24 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2015-08-23, 21:04 GMT, Greg Hellings wrote: > I had submitted a Python script somewhere that simply walks through every Could you elaborate a little bit on that “somewhere” part, please? :) Matěj -- http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/, Jabber: mc...@ceplovi.cz GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB

Re: [sword-devel] Versification discovery? [Was: Re: French versifications, was Re: FreJND and HebDelitzsch released]

2015-08-23 Thread Greg Hellings
I had submitted a Python script somewhere that simply walks through every versification in the Sword library and reports the number of extra/missing verses in a given OSIS file relative to each versification with a per-Testament breakdown. For instance it might give output similar to the following:

Re: [sword-devel] Versification discovery? [Was: Re: French versifications, was Re: FreJND and HebDelitzsch released]

2015-08-23 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
Title: signature On 08/23/2015 08:27 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote: On 2015-08-23, 09:29 GMT, Peter von Kaehne wrote: Interesting and quite probably useful would be to know if any 'colonial' translations would benefit from any of these three v11ns. I do thi

[sword-devel] Versification discovery? [Was: Re: French versifications, was Re: FreJND and HebDelitzsch released]

2015-08-23 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2015-08-23, 09:29 GMT, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > Interesting and quite probably useful would be to know if any > 'colonial' translations would benefit from any of these three > v11ns. I do think Malagassy was difficult to fit, also > Kahunapule might have translations from French Polynesian

Re: [sword-devel] Versification scheme for a new Bible translation

2012-04-30 Thread Kahunapule Michael Johnson
On 04/30/2012 06:47 AM, Chris Little wrote: > Sounds French. We don't really have enough information to produce this v11n > system yet. The most important piece of information to know is that unless you build some flexibility into the system and refrain from ever hard coding the number of verse

Re: [sword-devel] Versification scheme for a new Bible translation

2012-04-30 Thread Greg Hellings
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Brian J Dumont wrote: > On 04/30/2012 12:37 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM, David Haslam >>  wrote: >>> >>> Didn't Greg Hellings write a Perl script to check which of our defined >>> v11ns >>> would be the most suitable for a new m

Re: [sword-devel] Versification scheme for a new Bible translation

2012-04-30 Thread Brian J Dumont
On 04/30/2012 12:47 PM, Chris Little wrote: On 04/30/2012 07:44 AM, Brian J Dumont wrote: Hi all, I'm working with a Bible translator who has recently completed a Bible translation into the Tandroy language. I'm almost done converting his basic source into osis, and will soon be working on gett

Re: [sword-devel] Versification scheme for a new Bible translation

2012-04-30 Thread Brian J Dumont
On 04/30/2012 12:37 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM, David Haslam wrote: Didn't Greg Hellings write a Perl script to check which of our defined v11ns would be the most suitable for a new module? Python. How dare you suggest I would sully myself with Perl?! :P http://

Re: [sword-devel] Versification scheme for a new Bible translation

2012-04-30 Thread Chris Little
On 04/30/2012 07:44 AM, Brian J Dumont wrote: Hi all, I'm working with a Bible translator who has recently completed a Bible translation into the Tandroy language. I'm almost done converting his basic source into osis, and will soon be working on getting it into SWORD. The versification looks s

Re: [sword-devel] Versification scheme for a new Bible translation

2012-04-30 Thread Greg Hellings
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Didn't Greg Hellings write a Perl script to check which of our defined v11ns > would be the most suitable for a new module? Python. How dare you suggest I would sully myself with Perl?! :P http://www.crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/vers

Re: [sword-devel] Versification scheme for a new Bible translation

2012-04-30 Thread Brian J Dumont
On 04/30/2012 12:10 PM, David Haslam wrote: PS. Isn't the OT of the KJV based on the MT? If so, what's the real problem? I had thought so as well; but compare KJV to JPS. There are a number of OT chapters where the JPS has many more verses (for example, Lev 5, Num 17) -- ---

Re: [sword-devel] Versification scheme for a new Bible translation

2012-04-30 Thread David Haslam
Didn't Greg Hellings write a Perl script to check which of our defined v11ns would be the most suitable for a new module? David PS. Isn't the OT of the KJV based on the MT? If so, what's the real problem? PS2. During module build, please be careful. Unless the Zcomp problem has been solved alrea

Re: [sword-devel] Versification scheme for a new Bible translation

2012-04-30 Thread Peter von Kaehne
evelopers\' Collaboration Forum > Betreff: [sword-devel] Versification scheme for a new Bible translation > Hi all, > > I'm working with a Bible translator who has recently completed a Bible > translation into the Tandroy language. I'm almost done converting his >

[sword-devel] Versification scheme for a new Bible translation

2012-04-30 Thread Brian J Dumont
Hi all, I'm working with a Bible translator who has recently completed a Bible translation into the Tandroy language. I'm almost done converting his basic source into osis, and will soon be working on getting it into SWORD. The versification looks so far to be MT verses in KJV book order in

Re: [sword-devel] Versification comparison script (was Re: osis2mod unhappy with New Testament osisIDs)

2011-07-14 Thread Matej Cepl
Dne 14.7.2011 16:50, Greg Hellings napsal(a): They live within the SWORD source. If you have the swig executable you can enable bindings. I prefer to do it with CMake like follows: You seem to be using Fedora as well. Do you think it would be possible to add Python bindings to the sword Rawhi

Re: [sword-devel] Versification comparison script (was Re: osis2mod unhappy with New Testament osisIDs)

2011-07-14 Thread Greg Hellings
They live within the SWORD source. If you have the swig executable you can enable bindings. I prefer to do it with CMake like follows: mkdir build && cd build cmake -DSWORD_BINDINGS=Python .. make -j5 && sudo make install pushd bindings/swig/python python setup.py build sudo python setup.py inst

Re: [sword-devel] Versification comparison script (was Re: osis2mod unhappy with New Testament osisIDs)

2011-07-14 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 14.7.2011 02:11, Greg Hellings napsal(a): I accept your challenge. For those of you with the ability to build and install the Python bindings, you will find an (our first, in fact) example Python script named av11n.py. It does as you suggest for an Stupid question ... where does these bind

Re: [sword-devel] Versification comparison script (was Re: osis2mod unhappy with New Testament osisIDs)

2011-07-13 Thread David Haslam
Like (as in facebook). -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Versification-comparison-script-was-Re-osis2mod-unhappy-with-New-Testament-osisIDs-tp3666383p3666735.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___

[sword-devel] Versification comparison script (was Re: osis2mod unhappy with New Testament osisIDs)

2011-07-13 Thread Greg Hellings
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:08 AM, David Haslam wrote: > Actually, we could do with a neat script that can take any OSIS source text, > and fingerprint it to all the v11ns that we already support. > Would save a lot of hassle working out where the differences are, and > deciding whether we have a v

Re: [sword-devel] Versification

2010-09-20 Thread Chris Little
The Jerusalem Bible should be fairly straightforward, from your description. We just need to pick a versification and use it, preferrably the one that looks like their favored versification. All v11ns should be encoded in the OSIS doc, but the JB v11n should precede others. If "2:7, 1:3" indica

Re: [sword-devel] Versification

2010-09-12 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 11/09/10 20:15, Greg Hellings wrote: > No one has given me a solid answer as to how that would be encoded. That sounds not very encouraging. Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/swor

Re: [sword-devel] Versification

2010-09-11 Thread Greg Hellings
Peter, I have brought this up before, relating it to the Jerusalem Bible, which does something similar. Instead of using A, B, C, etc, they simply will number a verse as "2:7, 1:3" to reflect both popular types of versification or they will go "1:1, 1:2, 1:2a, 1:2b, 1:2c, 1:3, 1:4" to indicate ad

[sword-devel] Versification

2010-09-11 Thread Peter von Kaehne
How do you deal with a versification which is using two separate chapter counters in a book which aun in an interspersed way? 1, 2, 3, ... and A, B, C, .. This is to deal with Greek and Hebrew Esther and Daniel. To make it more complicated, some "numbered" chapters start and finish with a "let

Re: [sword-devel] Versification representation questions...

2009-11-08 Thread jonathon
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 13:50, Chris Burrell wrote: >Does anyone have any views as to the best way of storing the verse/passage >reference? Test out each approach using different versions/editions of GreekEsther. It probably will provide you with every "worst case scenario" you can imagine, an

[sword-devel] Versification representation questions...

2009-11-08 Thread Chris Burrell
Hi all I'm on a project using JSword and we're linking Scripture to various reference materials. For various reasons, we will need to store references to our material in the database and not in a Sword module. Does anyone have any views as to the best way of storing the verse/passage reference? I

Re: [sword-devel] Versification/Encoding Issues

2009-01-08 Thread David Haslam
As for spelling, and as a fascinating learning experience, pick up your printed KJV Bible and examine the spelling of the word "ankle[s]" in Ezekiel 47:3 and Acts 3:7. Some editions have "ancle", others have "ankle". Ostensibly both streams are based on the Authorised Version of 1769. So Peter'

Re: [sword-devel] Versification/Encoding Issues

2009-01-07 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Mike Hart wrote: > I'm working on several bibles to get them into Sword Format > (ultimately into public domain, or as close to PD as possible), and > I've got a few unresolved issues. > > Can someone point me to the how-to that covers these topics? Please have a look at our wiki, which now is f

Re: [sword-devel] Versification/Encoding Issues

2009-01-07 Thread Chris Little
Mike Hart wrote: I'm working on several bibles to get them into Sword Format (ultimately into public domain, or as close to PD as possible), and I've got a few unresolved issues. Can someone point me to the how-to that covers these topics? Issue number 1 - Versification standards One Bi

[sword-devel] Versification/Encoding Issues

2009-01-07 Thread Mike Hart
I'm working on several bibles to get them into Sword Format (ultimately into public domain, or as close to PD as possible), and I've got a few unresolved issues. Can someone point me to the how-to that covers these topics? Issue number 1 - Versification standards One Bible I'm working on is

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-11-05 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Troy. Attached is a diff for versemgr. I'm getting some compile errors. TreeKey seems to be abstract. Can you tell me which implementation it can be casted to or used instead? Also I didn't know how to extract osis ref and book apprev from treekey. Hope you can help. Manfred versemgr.di

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-11-03 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Sounds good. No comments at this time. I hope to get this registration going soon. Scanning the whole genbook takes some time so I was thinking if we could we make the versification registration "on the fly" in that on the beginning only books are known. When someone wants chapters for a boo

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-11-01 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Once the code is done to register a versification system with a TreeKey, I was thinking of having SWMgr, when it loads a GenBook with KeyType=VerseKey register it with VerseMgr as a versification scheme called the same as the module name. This will get things working for individual modules.

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-11-01 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Troy. Alright, understood. Another question: The only call to registerVersificationSystem() is done now in the SystemVerseMgr getter. But here only for 'normal' versification system. In which way do we need to differentiate between the old and the new and call the TreeKey registerVersification

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-31 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Dear Manfred, Yes, you are exactly correct. First level would get all books, second level would get all chapters, and third level would get all verses. These are the things that are pulled from the static array in canon.h -Troy. Manfred Bergmann wrote: > Am 29.10.2008 um 14:23 schrie

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-31 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 29.10.2008 um 14:23 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts: > If you'd like to help with the unfinished part, have a look at: > > http://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/src/mgr/versemgr.cpp > > and search for: TreeKey > > See the overloaded registerVersificationSystem implementation above > which implements

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-29 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Thank you for your answer. I took the verse parsing and list code from verserangeparse.cpp which is in MacSword then: sword::VerseKeyvk; sword::ListKey listkey = vk.ParseVerseList(cref, vk, true); listkey.Persist(true); swModule->setKey(listkey); // iterate through

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-29 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Well, it might be, but parts are also not yet done. If you use a standard VerseKey instance to iterate a chapter, then the problem could be on your end, eg. VerseKey vk; vk.Persist(true); module.setKey(vk); for (int i = 0; i < 13 && !vk.Error(); i++) { output += module.RenderText();

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-29 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Huray. First genbook with alternate versification. It turned out that the xml2gbs converter doesn't like single quotes for strings (attributes). A problem though. Gen 32:33 should show something in the gerneuegb module but it doesn't. http://idisk.mac.com/manfred.bergmann-Public/shot_sword_gb.

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-28 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Chris, do you know where I can get the OSIS source of which the KJVgb and/or GerLut1545lhgb have been created from? Text can be rendered for these two modules but not for my created one. I guess there are some differences in the OSIS which I need to check. Manfred Am 28.10.2008 um 08:52 schri

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-28 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi Chris. Am 28.10.2008 um 08:52 schrieb Chris Little: > I would first check the source file to make sure that the character > following 32:33 is a space (plain 0x20 space). Other characters can at > times confuse the import tools. Aside from that, I can't imagine why > osis2mod is reversifying 3

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-28 Thread Chris Little
Manfred, I would first check the source file to make sure that the character following 32:33 is a space (plain 0x20 space). Other characters can at times confuse the import tools. Aside from that, I can't imagine why osis2mod is reversifying 32:33 as 32:0, since it should really go to 32:32. A

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-28 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi. It's me again. :) I've tried the svn HEAD for creating this german bible module GerNeUe from OSIS. The verses mentioned below are not shifted anymore. But i.e. verse 32:33 which is in the source is re-versified as 32:0: "re-versified Genesis 32:33 as Genesis 32:0" What dies this mean.

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-06 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Thanks Jens. Well, I guess I'll wait with creating this module until the alternate versification schema osis2mod is finished. Manfred Am 06.10.2008 um 15:42 schrieb Jens_G: > > Here is the Answere. > > My List of difference between german and english Versnumbering. > > http://www.grabner-on

Re: [sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-06 Thread Jens_G
Here is the Answere. My List of difference between german and english Versnumbering. http://www.grabner-online.de/download/deutsch_englisch.zip Jens Grabner Manfred Bergmann wrote: > > Hi. > > I know there has a lot of discussion about versification schemes. > Now that I'm working on a Sw

Re: [sword-devel] versification and fooling osis2mod

2008-10-06 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 02.10.2008 um 08:18 schrieb Greg Hellings: > For now, converting into a General Book is likely to be your best > bet, and the eventual osis2mod will be able to create modules which > are recognized as Bibles to the frontends, but which use the General > Book driver. For now, I don't thi

[sword-devel] Versification and german bible texts

2008-10-05 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hi. I know there has a lot of discussion about versification schemes. Now that I'm working on a Sword module myself it seems I have missed and not understood the issues that are. However I noticed a different versification when I compare the bible I'm working on GerNeUe and the other german b

Re: [sword-devel] versification and fooling osis2mod

2008-10-02 Thread Ben Morgan
your > complete module without problems (unless it introduces versification > divergences all of it self). > > Yours in him > > Peter > > Original-Nachricht > > Datum: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:54:09 +0700 > > Von: Daniel Owens <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [sword-devel] versification and fooling osis2mod

2008-10-02 Thread Peter von Kaehne
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Re: [sword-devel] versification and fooling osis2mod

2008-10-02 Thread Peter von Kaehne
ED]> > An: SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum > Betreff: [sword-devel] versification and fooling osis2mod > ___ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Inst

Re: [sword-devel] versification and fooling osis2mod

2008-10-01 Thread Daniel Owens
Greg, Thanks for that explanation. I did notice the Psalm 9-10 issue in this module as well. I will try out creating a genbook and see how that goes. I can see how the technical side of things would be very complicated. I was going to try to create a Bible module without the deuterocanonical b

Re: [sword-devel] versification and fooling osis2mod

2008-10-01 Thread Greg Hellings
Daniel On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Daniel Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am working on a module for a Catholic translation that has > deuterocanonical books as well as additional verses in Daniel 3 (vv. > 24-90--in the LXX, though Crosswire LXX modules drop the extra text). If > anyon

[sword-devel] versification and fooling osis2mod

2008-10-01 Thread Daniel Owens
I am working on a module for a Catholic translation that has deuterocanonical books as well as additional verses in Daniel 3 (vv. 24-90--in the LXX, though Crosswire LXX modules drop the extra text). If anyone working on dynamic versification would like access to the OSIS file, I am happy to se

Re: [sword-devel] Versification

2008-01-28 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Hey all, My apologies for being out of the loop for a week or so. Hope to recover soon from the past weekend and get back into things. It was great seeing Daniel again and meeting Karl in person for the first time. Thanks, Karl, for the debrief to sword-devel. Just a quick note on this reo

Re: [sword-devel] Versification

2008-01-28 Thread DM Smith
Martin Gruner wrote: >> No timeline. As far as I know, no one has stepped up and volunteered to >> make the remaining changes. >> >> Perhaps when Troy comes back from BibleTech he can outline an >> engineering task list. >> > > That would be cool. Maybe I can take an isolated task. > > Wiki is

Re: [sword-devel] Versification

2008-01-28 Thread DJ Ortley
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the idea to create a virtual class based off of Versekey that would look like a verse key to the various front ends (aside from Bible Desktop and the Firefox extension that's being developed right now) so nobody had to change their code? Also, with regard to

Re: [sword-devel] Versification

2008-01-28 Thread DavidTroidl
I found it! A little while back, somebody posted this reference. _http://www.ccel.org/refsys/refsys.html_ (http://www.ccel.org/refsys/refsys.html) Harry Plantinga has made a great start on various v11n schemes. Peace, David **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay

Re: [sword-devel] Versification

2008-01-28 Thread Chris Little
On Jan 28, 2008, at 9:48 AM, Martin Gruner wrote: >>> For bibles? Does that mean they will be stored as Genbooks in >>> future, at >>> least if a non-KJV versification scheme is used? >> >> That is what I understand. > > I am not sure I like this. Isn't VerseKey etc. prepared to work with > d

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