[Syslog] Re: protocol direction

2005-11-16 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Anton" == Anton Okmianski (aokmians) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Anton> Good to have that clear! I also second Rainer that we had Anton> consensus on the list on everything that is in Anton> syslog-protocol now. The consensus was built over 2 years, There are several question

RE: [Syslog] lists and meetings

2005-11-16 Thread Anton Okmianski \(aokmians\)
Good to have that clear! I also second Rainer that we had consensus on the list on everything that is in syslog-protocol now. The consensus was built over 2 years, 15 revisions, and is well-documented in list archives and Rainer's web site http://www.syslog.cc/ietf. But I won't object to revis

[Syslog] formal Consultation prior to concluding the working group

2005-11-16 Thread Sam Hartman
Greetings. I'd like to draw yo;ur attention to section 4 of RFC 2418. This section requires area directors to consult with a working group prior to concluding that working group. At the meeting in Vancouver I started such a consultation by noting that once the next set of milestones is approve

[Syslog] lists and meetings

2005-11-16 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. Participants who attend the meetings are expected to also join the list. It is the consensus on the list that should be driving the working group, not what decisions are being made in meetings. --Sam ___ Syslog mailing list Syslog@lists.ietf.or

RE: [Syslog] Charter revision / WG obsolete?

2005-11-16 Thread Eric Hibbard
As one of the many lurkers on this list, I have been monitoring this WG's activities and I'm a bit concerned with the recent posts. I had high hopes that some form of logging standardization might materialize, but that now seems to be in question.   Recent regulations within the U.S. (e.g.,

RE: [Syslog] Charter revision / WG obsolete?

2005-11-16 Thread Rainer Gerhards
Darren, I mostly agree, but my main point is that all this has been discussed. My presentation from 2 years ago covers exactly these issues. For example... 22 Jan 2004 - talking about backwards compatibility and its importance http://www.syslog.cc/ietf/autoarc/msg0.html 3 Feb 2004 - talking

Re: [Syslog] Charter revision / WG obsolete?

2005-11-16 Thread Darren Reed
Hi all, > If I get the essence in Darren's message right, > what he is proposing is to create a layered architecture for syslog. Yes, by using what's gone before us as the way to start doing that. > Please face it: on the WG mailing list, we are pressing for ever and > ever change. More and more

RE: [Syslog] Charter revision / WG obsolete?

2005-11-16 Thread Rainer Gerhards
Hi all, Darren's post clearly shows what is wrong with this WG: we are re-iterating everything. If I get the essence in Darren's message right, what he is proposing is to create a layered architecture for syslog. If you look at my presentation from two years ago (!), you will see that this was th