Re: [Syslog] stream transport was draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt

2006-06-16 Thread Tom Petch
I think that this document has some way to go. It has introduced, and woven together, both TLS and TCP transport, which I think wrong. Ideally, I think that we should have two separate documents, one dealing with TLS, the other with TCP issues; given that both would be short, it is probably

RE: [Syslog] stream transport wasdraft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt

2006-06-16 Thread Rainer Gerhards
I agree with Tom that a TCP document would be useful and probably needed. Before someone from Huawei comes along and tries to patent this, too, I volunteer to write this document... Rainer -Original Message- From: Tom Petch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:13

RE: [Syslog] stream transportwasdraft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt

2006-06-16 Thread Rainer Gerhards
Oh... and, yes, there is prior Art: This spec was openly discussed some years ago on the loganalysis mailing list. While the text itself can not be used nowadays, I think it conveys many things that need to be considered. http://www.monitorware.com/en/workinprogress/selp.txt Rainer

RE: [Syslog] stream transport wasdraft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt

2006-06-16 Thread Anton Okmianski \(aokmians\)
I was just talking to Rainer about similar concern. I think first of all we need a basic mapping to TCP or more generally define syslog payload (framing) format for connection-oriented protocols. This should cover sending multiple messages over the same connection, obviously. The same

RE: [Syslog] stream transportwasdraft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt

2006-06-16 Thread Anton Okmianski \(aokmians\)
App-layer ACK is an interesting idea, but I think it opens up a big discussion. Does the relay ACK? Overlap with RFC 3195 (syslog-beep). Overlap with SNMP Informs. Etc. Anton. -Original Message- From: Rainer Gerhards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:36

RE: [Syslog] stream transportwasdraft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt

2006-06-16 Thread Rainer Gerhards
Anton, the ACK should only be from hop to hop - much as in SMTP. It is a method to know if the data has arrived at the next receiver. I think it probably is worth it. I can live without the ACK, but I think a defined closure is needed. An initiation exchange I consider useful, but again not