t-and-f: White to answer case at US hearing

2003-09-09 Thread sprintfinish
The Electronic Telegraph White to answer case at US hearing Tom Knight Any remaining hope that Kelli White had of hanging onto her World Championship gold medals all but disappeared last night when she was told she would face a disciplinary hearing in the United States. The International Assoc

Re: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosophy difference for the sport

2003-09-09 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
NCAA not lilly white either. http://espn.go.com/gen/s/2000/1207/929862.html P.F.Talbot wrote: The high school kids in the U.S. have been on drugs for a long time: http://espn.go.com/gen/s/2000/1213/945303.html The steroid-use rate is 5-8% of ALL high school boys. I would bet that most of the

Re: t-and-f: Another Kenyan Positive !!!!

2003-09-09 Thread Richard McCann
At 10:35 AM 9/9/2003 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 17:04:17 + From: "B. Kunnath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: t-and-f: Another Kenyan Positive ! I dont think it was ever stated that it was IMPOSSIBLE for the Kenyans to cheat. What is a more accurate statement w

Re: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosphy difference for the sport

2003-09-09 Thread Dan Kaplan
--- Tom Derderian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So one response, not a solution, to the drug problem would be to > strictly define the levels of money influence or professionalism. Maybe no one caught it in my response to Randy, but I don't believe that approach will be any improvement. Setting a

Re: t-and-f: major philosophy difference for the sport

2003-09-09 Thread Bob Duncan
P.F.Talbot wrote: > How about the opposite argument. If it were not for drugs, WR progression > would have stalled some time ago and the public would have lost all > interest. As a fan I want to be entertained. How long before more of these drugs are reaching the high school level? No doubt many

RE: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosophy difference for the sport

2003-09-09 Thread P.F.Talbot
The high school kids in the U.S. have been on drugs for a long time: http://espn.go.com/gen/s/2000/1213/945303.html The steroid-use rate is 5-8% of ALL high school boys. I would bet that most of the use is done by athletes so put it over 10%. Probably concentrated in football, but a whole lot o

Re: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosphy difference for the sport

2003-09-09 Thread Tom Derderian
Not so naive but do see a relationship between money and drugs. The more money, the more drugs. Certainly there is money involved in the NCAA but not as much as with athletes who have agents and sponsorship contracts. There is even less drug use in clubs such as the Greater Boston Track Club that I

t-and-f: IAAF on White

2003-09-09 Thread Martin J. Dixon
"IAAF general secretary Istvan Gyulai said White should be disqualified and stripped of the gold medals she won in the 100 and 200 metres at last month's World Championships." http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/world_athletics_2003/3077070.stm

RE: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosphy difference for the sport

2003-09-09 Thread Wes Cook
H. We're not so naïve as to suggest that the NCAA is drug-free? How about some of the foreign athletes who have matriculated (are matriculating) and their track "records" without even starting on our citizen participants? Otherwise, what is the purpose for NCAA drug testing. Hopefully to

Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport

2003-09-09 Thread MOrfuss
There's no way to know if robbing banks is any worse for "society" than performance-enhancing drugs, which may be far worse. (Or they may be incomparable.) There is probably no turning back from p-e drugs now that they're here. Perhaps the problem is no longer a "problem" (meaning something that

RE: t-and-f: major philosophy difference for the sport

2003-09-09 Thread P.F.Talbot
How about the opposite argument. If it were not for drugs, WR progression would have stalled some time ago and the public would have lost all interest. As a fan I want to be entertained. I'm more entertained by a 26:30 than a 27:30. If someone runs a 9.5 someday I'll be damn entertained no matt

Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport

2003-09-09 Thread Kurt Bray
How about it's cheating, pure and simple. It's a rule of the sport and needs to be obeyed - just like lane rules, starting rules, and throwing implement specifications. When cheaters get caught they get kicked out regardless of any lack of ill effects on society. Kurt Bray How 'bout it's ki

t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosphy difference for the sport

2003-09-09 Thread Tom Derderian
Drugs are killing the sport and what is driving drugs is money. Are they related? Maybe there is a place for expressed amateur sports? Such is the NCAA. Tom - Original Message - From: "lehane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, S

Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport

2003-09-09 Thread lehane
How 'bout it's killing the sport. Dan Kaplan wrote: > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If lots of people decide to rob banks and don't see anything wrong > > with it, and the police can't keep up, does that mean that bank > > robbery should be made legal? > > Robbing banks has a clearly defined i