RE: t-and-f: Distance and Sprint Dominance

Roger wrote: "This I think is quite remarkable, in view of a comparison of the two countries' populations and economic conditions; viz., Kenya population - 31.6 million United States population - 290.3 million Kenya gross domestic production per capita -US $1,100 United Stat

RE: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes

Also, wasn't gender testing stopped years ago? I suppose the ultimate political correctness would be to eliminate separate male and female events. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Martin J. Dixon Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 9:01 AM To:

RE: t-and-f: Another one

When I have trouble sleeping I end up walking around pretty tired. A stimulant could certainly help! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Duncan Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:01 AM To: Martin J. Dixon; Track & Field List; track-canada Subj

t-and-f: more or less cheating

Okay I am a cynic, but does anyone else think that the current scandal will lead to MORE cheating, not less. Doesn't this raise the bar to the level where those who use drugs will want a designer steroid. Didn't every unethical chemist just get an amazing amount of free publicity? Wouldn't the m

RE: t-and-f: Another THG mystery

A syringe (probably sans needle) might still be the easiest way to put a premeasured amount under the tongue. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: A

RE: t-and-f: The Study was a 1995 poll

This may be true, but potential jail time is certainly not a deterrent. There are MILLIONS of Americans using steroids illegally. Go read a bodybuilding board some time or just look at the statistics on high school use. And though possession may be punishable by jail time, I've never heard of any

RE: t-and-f: The Study was a 1995 poll

"The greatest benefits of steroids accrues to women in general, and strength-based events in particular. Those are the two categories that have stagnated since increased drug testing. Perhaps the causality is spurious, but I think we need a counter hypothesis that is testable to refute that point

RE: t-and-f: Lgat's B Sample Negative

I don't think you even need to throw money into the equation. There are millions of steroid abusers in the U.S. alone who don't compete for any money. As long as the idea is to push your limits, people will push their limits. It's the competition ethic at work. -Original Message- From:

RE: t-and-f: 'soft' marathon record

In the marathon the winner usually makes a move at some point and breaks his opponents. After that he is trying to recover a bit and keep some reserves in case someone comes up on him. In a 5k or 10k the winner likely has company the whole way. I don't think it's coincidence that the WR race had

RE: The Grid (was RE: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport)

I'm probably somewhere in the lower left hand corner, maybe close to the end of the individual axis and then about 1/2 or 2/3 below the center on the harm axis. When I ran in college (Illinois) and for a few years after I would have been in the lower right extreme. I think the axes are a nice way

RE: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport

Another aspect of the "moral" debate is whether the individual or the collect group should decide what the individual may or may nor consume. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard McCann Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:25 PM To: Dan Kapla

RE: t-and-f: forwarded message (drugs, difference in philosophy, etc.)

I think the issue of WHO decides what is banned is a good one. Why is it a bunch of European aristocrats? The answer should be the athletes. Athletics is an endeavor where labor has little to say about how things are done and needs some institutional body to do so. -Original Message- Fr

RE: t-and-f: major philosophy difference for the sport

There are millions of Americans on high dose steroids today with little or no medical supervision. Presumably more muscle mass can make someone "healthier" i.e.. stronger, more resistant to injury, etc. steroids can achieve this with minimal risk if one knows what one is doing. The bodybuilding

RE: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport

In bodybuilding "natural" tends to mean you can pass a drug test at the competition. Same with powerlifting. But ideas of what is "clean" and what is not is going to be severely changed in coming decades. With medical changes in the next 100 years we may find that "natural" athletes are smaller,

RE: t-and-f: Killing the sport was major philosophy difference for the sport

The high school kids in the U.S. have been on drugs for a long time: http://espn.go.com/gen/s/2000/1213/945303.html The steroid-use rate is 5-8% of ALL high school boys. I would bet that most of the use is done by athletes so put it over 10%. Probably concentrated in football, but a whole lot o

RE: t-and-f: major philosophy difference for the sport

How about the opposite argument. If it were not for drugs, WR progression would have stalled some time ago and the public would have lost all interest. As a fan I want to be entertained. I'm more entertained by a 26:30 than a 27:30. If someone runs a 9.5 someday I'll be damn entertained no matt

RE: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport

There's also a third camp, albeit a small one, that thinks there shouldn't be any testing and anything is fair game. I've been on this list for 10 years now and I've done 180 turn on the matter and am in this extreme minority (I might even be the only one). I see it as the only way to achieve a m

RE: t-and-f: Lagat now

Ahh, so true Malmo, but for the fact that he attended a U.S. university. Surely this is where he must have been corrupted. Our evil American, win-at-all-cost society must be to blame. For shame, for shame. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of

RE: t-and-f: Kelli White & narcolepsy

The whole point of banning a substance is that it is dangerous to the athlete. I haven't heard anything about the negative side effects the IAAF is trying to protect Ms. White from. What are they? If it's banned simply because it improves performance then shoes, blocks, a good diet and training

RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

On hard training. People seem to forget that Pirie, Zatopek and Igloi's runners would run 100+ mile weeks of intervals. People trained "harder" in that era than in any other. Obviously it didn't produce sub 27:00 10k's. I seriously doubt that it's a matter of western runners not training hard e

RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

But the argument made in favor of the Africans is that you see better speed at longer distances than in the rest of the world. If you are a 50s guy you'd better move up to the marathon because at 5 and 10k 48 and 49 second guys are going to be there. If you are a 48 or 49 second guy you might hav

RE: Re: t-and-f: DQ Farce in Paris Men's 100

Short of horseracing gates we will always have these sorts of problems because it will always be possible to take a chance and anticipate the start. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Randy Treadway Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:09 AM To: [EMA

RE: t-and-f: WC TV SCHEDULE??

And if you're really hard core you can hack your Tivo and transfer all the meets onto DVD. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Louis LeBlanc Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:13 AM To: 'Lee Nichols'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: WC TV

RE: t-and-f: The Kenyan question

Yawn, yawn, yawn. How is this new or surprising? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Grant Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:54 PM To: track net Subject: t-and-f: The Kenyan question Netters: If just half of what has recently bee

RE: t-and-f: Real small WC 1500 field?

Also at issue here is what the nature of the WC's should be. If the IAAF wants a marketable event with a concentration of stars then they should be cutting the fields. With amateurism behind us, shouldn't this be the move? Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL