t-and-f: Women's 4k

2001-02-19 Thread Tom Murrell
Interesting to note the ages of these women!! Event 3 Women's 14-39 4,000 Meter Run Senior Results by Order of Finish - Sunday 02/18/01 RANK COMP# ATHLETE NAME AGE TEAMAVG MILE

RE: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

2001-02-19 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
R.T. said: if all they have is a 12K race, everybody from Steeple specialists and shorter (middle distance) simply won't run. They view it as a distraction to adjust their "off-season" training for such a different distance. Even some 5K runners may be tempted to skip it. I see where you are

RE: t-and-f: Women's 4k

2001-02-19 Thread Post, Marty
Looks like they flubbed a team code (all the Nikes are "21", adidas 2068="19", etc.) with what was supposed to be put down for age. -Original Message- From: Tom Murrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 12:59 PM To: T-and-F Subject: t-and-f: Women's 4k

Re: t-and-f: Women's 4k

2001-02-19 Thread whitmank
Tom wrote with respect to the US womens 4k race "Interesting to note the ages of these women!!" That's what I was thinking because I'd bet a large sum of money that Nicole Jefferson is 2-3 years older than 21 and I know Katie McGregor isn't 19 either. Keith Whitman Head Cross Country Coach

RE: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

2001-02-19 Thread Dan Kaplan
--- "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over history, there have been many, many steeplers who ran high level 12k races in the winter. [snip] but the steeplers and 5k runners should be in the 12k race. Have you looked over this weekend's results and the disproportionate number of

RE: t-and-f: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:53:55 -0700

2001-02-19 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
posted (by me) on 2/13/2001: Anyway, back to the original question: Runyan is likely capable of 15:10-15 ... especially on a fast track ... sothey better settle this question of whether it will constitute a "record" before the gun goes off. This was not too difficult to predict (so I

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

2001-02-19 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:01:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dave Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And what is the dielectric constant of dispair? I don't know about dispair, but for datpair it's 12.2.

Re: RE: t-and-f: RE: Metrically-challenged Americans

2001-02-19 Thread Kurt Bray
Well, that's the problem. Until the US as a whole embraces metric, it is unwise for US track and (especially) field to do so. If you want people to understand what you are saying, you need to speak in a language that they know. And say a 5.5 meter pole vault means absolutely NOTHING to the

t-and-f: Rockford alumni start impressive record

2001-02-19 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
This was sent to me from the MI track and Field list: Emily Blakeslee, formerly of Rockford, now of Northwestern, has qualified for the World Junior Cross-Country Championships by finishing 5th in the 6k race in Vancouver, Washington, today. Women's Junior Results Laura Zeigle 21:18.4 Victoria

RE: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

2001-02-19 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
No question that the race results were dominated by steeplers. Besides Browne and Hauser, I think they were ALL steeplers (I don't have results in front of me or the net to check them), but it is clear that they favor the 4k. The same can be said for the 4k at the WCCC ... the results at the

t-and-f: death wish

2001-02-19 Thread GHTFNedit
Over the weekend some suicidal maniac started a thread suggesting that WRs could only be set in the OG or WC. If the object is to kill the sport completely, I can't think of a much better suggestion. Yes, it's a shame that the sport has become so record-centered (and concomitantly

RE: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

2001-02-19 Thread Dan Kaplan
--- "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is tougher (or a bigger "adjustment to training" as was posted); a 1500/5000m runner or Steepler adjusting "up" to the 12k distance ... OR A MARATHONER adjusting "down" ? I think moving up is tougher for most people, especially when it's

Re: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

2001-02-19 Thread Mpplatt
In a message dated 2/19/01 1:51:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: think moving up is tougher for most people, especially when it's 4-8x the distance. Moving down significantly in distance may make the speed seem harsh, but at least you can run the whole thing at a

RE: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

2001-02-19 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Mon, 19 Feb 2001 1:06:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The idea has always been to have a World Championship of XC ... and a race to suit all the XC runners ... where one best one could be crowned. I guess it is fair to say that (as

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

2001-02-19 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
Netters, While we are on this thread I'll take the opportunity to sound off about one of my pet peeves, the indoor mile run. The mile run was retained as the only non-metric, non-standard event when indoor track went metric over twenty years ago , supposedly because it was thought that fans

Re: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

2001-02-19 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
Dan wrote: I think moving up is tougher for most people, especially when it's 4-8x the distance. Moving down significantly in distance may make the speed seem harsh, but at least you can run the whole thing at a steady clip. Also, I would venture to guess that the training of many 12k and

t-and-f: in the crosshairs - men's us american 10k record

2001-02-19 Thread Geoff Thurner
after interviewing kennedy, abdi and culpepper at the finish line after usa xc's, it sounds like the american 10k record should be erased sometime this year since all three have their eyes on it (i would assume meb, brad hauser and nick rogers could take equal aim if they wanted to, but i

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

2001-02-19 Thread Dave Carey
I never could spell. My message should have read. And what is the dielectric constant of despair? Dave Carey On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick, Conway - a shot put weighs HOW many kg?

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

2001-02-19 Thread SMLurie
I can't wait to be watching a National Football League telecast some Sunday afternoon and here Pat Summerall say, "It's first down and 9.14 meters to go for the Giants." I doubt anybody on this list or any of our children will live long enough to hear that. Somehow this is tied into the future

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

2001-02-19 Thread William Bahnfleth
One could argue that the mile is a durable standard for the same reason that the marathon is still 26.2 mi/42.2 km. Common sense would have made the marathon 40k or some other round number a long time ago. There is no compelling reason to eliminate the "mile" even after SI units have

t-and-f: Badgers baby!

2001-02-19 Thread Joe Rubio
First volley thrown. The Wisconsin men will come away with the DI XC title next fall... Joe

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

2001-02-19 Thread Dgs1170
Americans familiarity with the metric system is inconsequential. Every discipline in life comes with its own nuances, track is no different. There are very little problems when it comes to the OG, there should be little problem elsewhere. It is time. I am not concerned with changing the way all

t-and-f: World Best 10k

2001-02-19 Thread B. Kunnath
Does anyone have results for the Worlds Best 10k race held in Puerto Rico yesterday? Tergat was supposed to go up against Khannouchi and others. Bob _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

2001-02-19 Thread nad wilson
I'm not sure i am following this whole situation. Wayne, you said that only Webb has come close to qualifying for world indoors this year. This simply isn't true. At iaaf.org they list the standards for worlds and along with a 1500 time (3:42.00) is a mile- 3:59.8. That means that at least 5

Re: t-and-f: Badgers baby!

2001-02-19 Thread Brian McGuire
A good day for EX-Badger Matt Downin, yesterday. BOTH Downin brothers make the U.S. squad. Question for the trivia-inclined. Is this the first time that two brothers have been on the same senior U.S. cross team? (I realize the 4k has opened more opportunities) Brian McGuire - Original Message

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

2001-02-19 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
Changing the dimensions of a football field, or any of the measurements used in football would be just as absurd as not using metric measurements in track and field. All the rules of football were originally written using yards; it should stay that way. By the same token, the international

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

2001-02-19 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
William Bahnfleth wrote: One could argue that the mile is a durable standard for the same reason that the marathon is still 26.2 mi/42.2 km. Common sense would have made the marathon 40k or some other round number a long time ago. There is no compelling reason to eliminate the "mile"

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

2001-02-19 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
nad wilson wrote: I'm not sure i am following this whole situation. Wayne, you said that only Webb has come close to qualifying for world indoors this year. This simply isn't true. At iaaf.org they list the standards for worlds and along with a 1500 time (3:42.00) is a mile- 3:59.8. That

Re: t-and-f: in the crosshairs - men's us american 10k record

2001-02-19 Thread Steve DiNatale
Isn't the Hayward Field record 27:29 by Henry Rono? Dina. -- On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:42:43 Geoff Thurner wrote: after interviewing kennedy, abdi and culpepper at the finish line after usa xc's, it sounds like the american 10k record should be erased sometime this year since all three

t-and-f: Ray Kring (Allan Hancock Community College, CA) passed away

2001-02-19 Thread Conning
Bob McGuire, the former women's coach at Cal State Hayward, is looking for Daryl Zimmerman, a former athlete and coach for the University of Pacific. Bob is trying to let him know Ray Kring from Allan Hancock Community College and Pittsburg High School passed away last week. They were all

t-and-f: correction to hayward field 10k record

2001-02-19 Thread Geoff Thurner
list member steve dinitale wins the 's.i.d. for a day contest' (feel free to take over for any of the major meets this season) for a grievous error on my part when i mentioned the potential for a fast us 10k champs at hayward field, i listed the oregon school record (27:50.82 oops!) as the

Re: t-and-f: Imperialist

2001-02-19 Thread Ed Prytherch
Rugby made the change from yards to meters without dumbfounding the players or the fans. Ed. - Original Message - From: "Wayne T. Armbrust" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Imperialist Changing the dimensions of a

t-and-f: IL Boys HS all-time distance lists

2001-02-19 Thread jsully13
Missing the following info to complete these lists. Please reply with info. 800- #9. 1:49.8 Sherman Arnold '83/Chicago Fenger. MEET? #10. 1:49.9 Marlon Jones '90/Bartonville Limestone. MEET? #16. 1:51.4 880y Craig Grant '65/Hillside Proviso W. MEET? #17. 1:50.8 Jim White '85/Elmhurst York.

Re: t-and-f: correction to hayward field 10k record

2001-02-19 Thread Steve DiNatale
Don't forget the asterisk. 27:29.9* *Rono 15lbs. overweight! -- On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:46:13 Geoff Thurner wrote: list member steve dinitale wins the 's.i.d. for a day contest' (feel free to take over for any of the major meets this season) for a grievous error on my part when i

Re: RE: t-and-f: RE: Metrically-challenged Americans

2001-02-19 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
Kurt Bray wrote: Well, that's the problem. Until the US as a whole embraces metric, it is unwise for US track and (especially) field to do so. If you want people to understand what you are saying, you need to speak in a language that they know. And say a 5.5 meter pole vault means

NFLE ( was Re: t-and-f: Imperialist )

2001-02-19 Thread Dirk Wagner
Hi Wayne T. Armbrust, Du schriebst am 19.02.2001: I have heard, however, that in the NFL Europe the fields are 100 meters long and teams have to go 10 meters for a first down. Does anyone know if this is this true? I never heared about that - and I am shure I would if it were true. I am