The BBC radio had Sebastian Coe for at least part
of the time. And a friend of mine just got back
yesterday from Finland, where he said Coe was also
a guest commentator on TV. [my spell-check
says I'm spelling Finish wrong- hah!]
Anyway, back to BBC radio, on Sunday they goaded Coe
into confess
Not to take anything away from the natural wit of Steve Ovett (the one who
broke the story about El G's "piles" several years ago, by the way), the
pair that sent me howling with laughter continually were Hutchings and Cram
when they were paired on Eurosport. Sadly, the "beeb" has broken up that
Philip J Wyckoff wrote:
Excellent post. Felt almost like I was back in Edmonton.
I was sitting two sections toward the pole vault pit while the men's pole
vault was being contested. I'm not so sure that all the competitors shared
your enthusiasm of the Bahaman band. At times, I'm sure that
The Electronic Telegraph
Wednesday 15 August 2001
Richard Bright
DISTANCE runner Paula Radcliffe admits British athletes failed to deliver at
the World Championships in Edmonton.
And she feels stronger competition meant Britain would never be able to
emulate their track and field success of p
One of the highlights of the recent Championships for me was listening to
the BBC radio broadcast from Edmonton. The "down-time" between the action
that is normally a TV broadcasters nightmare actually works to the advantage
of the radio announcer, allowing time to set the scene and build
anticipa
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How much are the problems with track and field on TV
related to the announcers gearing broadcasts to those
who have never witnessed a track meet?
Has anybody ever seen a 400IH race on TV without the
announcer explaining in slow deliberate tones that
even on the turn you can tell who's leading
The quickness with which Yegorova was reinstated by IAAF may be partially
due to the fact that as IAAF admitted before, 10 (or was it 11?) athletes
tested positive for EPO in Sydney (but failed only one of the two required
urine/blood test combo, therefore not considered "guilty"). Russian
officia
In a message dated 8/14/01 5:06:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>The doubling of the Worlds and the concomitant rise of Goodwill as a
big-bucks
>meet meant that every year's nationals was a must-go destination for the
>nation's top athletes, instead of just half the years.
So the USATF tail w
As disappointed and angry as I was on the first day to see almost
nothing of the men's marathon until about 40K, I was ecstatic about the
experience of seeing every second of the women's race on the big screens
in the stadium Sunday morning. The commentary by Bob Hersh was
excellent, both in infor
I dunno, was it just me, or did anyone else think "Jabe's" interview seemed
eerily like Dennis Hopper's character in "Apocalypse Now"? (The director's
cut has been released to the theaters if you want to check it out).
Jim Gerweck
Running Times
I find this thread very interesting given the article Eammon posted last
week stating how the BBC thought MJ was the greatest announcer going and was
hoping the BBC could somehow hire him for Paris and Athens.
Personally I wish you guys could hear Steve Ovett. He would go over so big
in American
i have tried to remove as many folks as possible from the lists in a
similar straw-clutching fashion as Jon...
At 11:09 AM 8/15/2001, malmo wrote:
>Cruz mostly African ancestry?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andre Sammart
In a message dated 8/13/01 5:20:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Ah yes, Zurich...the Swiss stud that 38-year-old Regina
Jacobs has been "saving herself" for...:-) >>
Why do you still connect Jacobs to this quote, when it has been stated many
times on this list that it was uttered by Suzy F
Cruz mostly African ancestry?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andre Sammartino
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 8:32 PM
> To: P.F.Talbot
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: t-and-f: Entine's flaws
>
>
> but the statement that
In a message dated Tue, 14 Aug 2001 7:05:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Eamonn Condon"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The Irish Times
> Tuesday, August 14, 2001
>
>
> Radcliffe herself also harbours fears that she might be targeted in this way and
>cited the case of German distance runner Diet
> So this looks like only 7 non-Africans have produced times in the top 100
> all time, right?
>
> I'd put Juantorena on the list though (maybe that was his 8th).
It's hard to categorize anyone from the West Indies or Central America
unless you know their specific origin. But assuming Juantorena
but the statement that "92 of the top 100 times are held by those of mostly
African ancestry" is still wrong... it can only be 82... it's just poor
data collection undermining what are substantive claims...
for what it's worth my view here is that the discussion is about
probabilities...
Enti
Kurt, clearly you've never been to Eugene, which is living in a
time-warp.
malmo
>
> Actually Gabe is a linguistic treasure - he speaks pure unadulterated
> Incoherent Hippie circa 1968, a dialect that has not been
> heard since its
> last native speaker died of a drug overdose about 25 year
So this looks like only 7 non-Africans have produced times in the top 100
all time, right?
I'd put Juantorena on the list though (maybe that was his 8th).
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Andre Sammartino wrote:
> Jon,
>
> I don't understand where you are getting these numbers from... each time
> you rea
> So, for them to clear her in a matter of days leads me to believe that she
either wasn't guilty or that there >were serious problems with the testing
protocol.
Someone correct me if they know differently, but there WAS a problem with
the testing protocol - they didn't do a blood test. The IAAF
That 'altitude' was killing the distance runners wasn't it?
2200' is just a little higher than that high-altitude Mecca called
'Spokane' (1900').
malmo
>
> In a message dated Tue, 14 Aug 2001 5:33:07 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time, "Highfill, Floyd"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Everyon
But that quote did come from RUNNERS WORLD, hardly a reliable
periodical.
malmo
>
> You're right. Here it is again, copied and pasted from
> http://www.runnersworld.com/edmonton01/home.ht> ml
> What an
> idiot.
>
> Gabe Jennings, Heat 2: "You saw me get
> everything out of myself that I ha
>I watched the Gabe interview as well and I don't remember some of the
>things
>that you describe. Although I did watch the ABC interview and perhaps he
>gave another to CBC perhaps?
Actually Gabe is a linguistic treasure - he speaks pure unadulterated
Incoherent Hippie circa 1968, a dialect
> Britain's Jonathan Edwards has attacked the double-standards in athletics
> which resulted in the persecution of women's 5,000m champion Olga Yegorova,
> labelled a drug cheat at the World Championships in Canada.
Strikes me as a bit rich for Jonathan Edwards to be talking about double
standards
> Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >I've got a two-word answer to that line of thinking: Houston and
Cerritos.
> As in the nationals of '89 and '90, where the domestic version of the
> sport, imho, came close to dieing at the top end.
> <
>
> And I have a one-word answer to the
Jon,
I don't understand where you are getting these numbers from... each time
you reappear on this list to boost book sales you undermine your
credentials substanitally by citing WRONG numbers. Where is the 800m
evidence you cite?
my check of Peter Larsson's top 100 performances all-time pro
I actually agree with Edwards. IF Szabo or Radcliffe were accused of doping
and then cleared would they sit out?
I've actually never seen the IAAF clear someone so quickly (think Reynolds,
Slaney, Ottey, Richardson, Sotomayor, Mitchell). They usually drag things
out even when there's compellin
The Irish Times
Tuesday, August 14, 2001
Paula Radcliffe today said that she could be the victim of a 'drugs sting'
following her protest over Olga Yegorova's participation in the World
Championships.
World Cross Country Champion Radcliffe was incensed after the IAAF allowed
Yegorova to compe
The Irish Times
Tuesday, August 14, 2001
Britain's Jonathan Edwards has attacked the double-standards in athletics
which resulted in the persecution of women's 5,000m champion Olga Yegorova,
labelled a drug cheat at the World Championships in Canada.
The gold medal-winning triple jumper said
It sounds like he gave that interview specifically to RunnersWorld. He gave
another interview that I saw on ABC that included a few other choice bits
(and no mention of the SAT or of wiping the field in Athens). I have it on
tape, so maybe I'll go through it tonight and see if I can't type up th
In a message dated Tue, 14 Aug 2001 5:33:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Highfill,
Floyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Everyone has their opinion on the effect of the temperature but the altitude
> (2000') is worth about 1-1/2 minutes (or 3-4 sec per mile).
> The heat couldn't have been worth mo
Major booboo on my last post. I meant end to end 5.09's for the 5000 of
course. Last 400 in 54 in the 10,000.
Phil Wyckoff
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> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:12:33 -0400
> From: "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: t-and-f: "Jabe's" exact quote... Are you sure???
>
> I got that quote driectly from the runnersworld.com website I believe.
>
> M
You're right. Here it is again, copied and pasted from
http:/
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I've got a two-word answer to that line of thinking: Houston and Cerritos.
As in the nationals of '89 and '90, where the domestic version of the
sport, imho, came close to dieing at the top end.
<
And I have a one-word answer to the same line of
Everyone has their opinion on the effect of the temperature but the altitude
(2000') is worth about 1-1/2 minutes (or 3-4 sec per mile).
The heat couldn't have been worth more than about 5 minutes overall unless
you think Abera was capable of running under the WR on a "good" day. This
still puts
Umm - the men's race might have been at 27 degrees centigrade (about 80 F)
- and it might have been at 2,000 feet above sea level - but 2:26+ for our
best male finisher is still pretty damned embarrassing.
Now, I'm not going to rag on Josh Cox - hell - he finished the race. But
when the top thr
Jim Gerweck wrote:
>I think the WCs have lost luster ever since the IAAF went for the
money
and
doubled the frequency of the meet...I think switching from quad- to
biennial WCs was one of Primo's worse decisions (although I'm sure
everyone's the richer for it, so I doubt we'll see a return to t
Its funny, that is actually probably one of the few things that I thought
was worthwhile comming out of Mr. 19.32's mouth. What he said,
strategically, made a lot of sense. In hindsight, I would actually hope
that Pierce and his coach review the WC footage and realize that MJ's advice
was pr
In a message dated Mon, 13 Aug 2001 8:08:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >Was a hard meet to get up for for some reason .. Didn't seem to have the
> usual >electricity associated with the Worlds
> I think the WCs have lost luster ever since the IAAF went for the money
Larry Morgan wrote:
>I don't think MJ is bad for the future of the sport, although I do think
he
>should take a few tv commentating classes. For example, in the rounds of
the
>4x400, Andrew Pierce had no other place to go than on the outside shoulder
of
>the German runner coming down the home
I was looking at the all time high school times in the 400 and Calvin
Harrison ran 45.07... but its listed under "drug suspension." Does anyone
have the story on this? Also, he is on the list anyway (6th) with a
45.25... but if he was suspended in 1993, wouldn't that mark also be
suspended s
What did Steve Lewis run in the 400 in high school? Didn't he win the OG
when he was 19 in like 43.???
_
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These may have been the recordings made at the very END of these races- even
though when the first men finishers entered the stadium it was - in the shade-
clearly above 19. I know how wew were dressed. We would have neded more than T-
shirts in the media stands at 19 deg. C.
Regards,
UG
-
According to the IAAF results book, the men's marathon temperature was
19C, and the women's temp was 25C.
I don't believe the listed men's temp, but I can tell you that as the
race progressed into the evening, there was considerable shade.
I ran shortly after the women's mara
Actually Larry, while i am not a big MJ fan, in his defense, his comment was
the Pierce had run the whole turn on the outside, thus running farther, and
said he might run out of gas. I thought it was a very good comment, that the
casual fan wouldnt have realized, had Andrew indeed run out of ga
After watching Mitchell run great legs this weekend there's no doubt that if
the US had gone mitchell to lewis in 96 we would have won the gold.
Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
=
Men's and Women's Jumps & Multis Coach
Syracuse University Track & Field
>From: Phil Weishaar <[
Don't you get the feeling the world missed a great opprotunity to have
someone beat the US in the 4 x 100. I know they won by a large margin but
how interesting it have been with Jamaica, Cuba, Great Britian, around the
US instead of Japan, Australia etc. 37.9 is not that great of time for
Very true!
The men's race began at temperaures of 27 centigrade which hardly dropped
during the ensuing 2 hours. The wpmen's race began at 17 and rose to 23.
That's a world of difference.
UG
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Dear Listers,
I don't think MJ is bad for the future of the sport, although I do think he
should take a few tv commentating classes. For example, in the rounds of the
4x400, Andrew Pierce had no other place to go than on the outside shoulder of
the German runner coming down the homestretch, bu
Just got back from Edmonton. Haven't had a chance to read many posts, so
I'll probably be repeating some stuff.
The meet itself was excellently produced. Those Video screens make a huge
difference! They were well used and offered some great views when I was
roving the stadium and sitting in the N
Two comments that probably weren't mean to be taken the way they sound:
--- Glenn Smith wrote about JD:
> I've always thought he was one of the classiest of the american
> sprinters. I don't know how he fits in with that HSI group.
Ouch!
--- Michael Contopoulos wrote about MJ:
> He admittedly
Michael wrote:
> Does anyone else think Michael Johnson is bad for the future of track and
> field? He admittedly knows nothing about anything other than the sprints,
> he was so negative about the outcome of these WC, and he has said in the
> past that track and field should just do away with
Regarding the comments on televising distance races:
CBC showed the entire 10k ... YES, the ENTIRE 10k ... save a break for two
commercials. They also showed about 5 minutes before the race, and 5
minutes after. I think it aired just after midnight EDT, so it was being
shown live (I think, but
I got that quote driectly from the runnersworld.com website I believe.
M
>From: "Hanks, Jeffrey S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: t-and-f: "Jabe's" exact quote... Are you sure???
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:02:37 -0700
>
>I watche
> Was a hard meet to get up for some reason .. The first couple of days
> were very exciting as the 100 men burned up the track .. But things cooled
> off and seemed to stay that way .. Didn't seem to have the usual
electricity
> associated with the Worlds .. Was nice however to see TV coverage th
I watched the Gabe interview as well and I don't remember some of the things
that you describe. Although I did watch the ABC interview and perhaps he
gave another to CBC perhaps?
Specifically I don't recall him saying that he "owned" El G, or of him
wiping the track of all of them in 3 years. L
I didn't see the NBC coverage (CBC had excellent coverage as per usual), but
I'm sure JD did a marvelous job. I've always thought he was one of the
classiest
of the american sprinters. I don't know how he fits in with that HSI group.
I was
particularly impressed with what he did in the 4x100. T
> Does anyone else think Michael Johnson is bad for the future of track and
> field? He admittedly knows nothing about anything other than the sprints,
> he was so negative about the outcome of these WC, and he has said in the
> past that track and field should just do away with the distance race
"Chambers, Patrick J. III" wrote:
>
> One of the recurring comments found in newspaper coverage of the meet, was
> the how thin the program was on many days.
Perhaps, but we still had many periods when there were two field events
going, along with a series of running events. It's very difficult t
I actually thought the action was pretty well spread out. Most days included
exciting finals and important prelims. they did a good job at the track of
highlighting often neglected field events. Edmonton was very exciting.
Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
=
Men's and Women's Ju
Mike wrote:
Both you guys make good points. I have been able to watch Savante develop
over the last few years and he will be anything but mediocre, I also believe
that the other Americans in the final - Pate & Phillips have bright futures.
All three of the young men have what it takes - Speed
One of the recurring comments found in newspaper coverage of the meet, was
the how thin the program was on many days. Ever since Gothenburg, when the
day off on Wednesday was eliminated, the IAAF has resorted to "special"
events to fill out the program. Spread out over 9 days (not counting the
m
Does anyone else think Michael Johnson is bad for the future of track and
field? He admittedly knows nothing about anything other than the sprints,
he was so negative about the outcome of these WC, and he has said in the
past that track and field should just do away with the distance races (fo
Both you guys make good points. I have been able to watch Savante develop over the
last few years and he will be anything but mediocre, I also believe that the other
Americans in the final - Pate & Phillips have bright futures. All three of the young
men have what it takes - Speed , decent te
Buck wrote:
>
> I dunno' about the mediocrity part.
> Did you see that last foul by Stringfellow? I know talking about a
scratch
> is like arguing about whether Superman could beat up the Hulk, but dang!
> It wasn't THAT much of a scratch and it LOOKED like a mid 28' jump and if
> the Hulk got R
A possible answer to my own question about most sub-9:00 2-miles (courtesy
of Steve Underwood). ...
Here's a rough chrono list with no conversions for Dathan Ritzenhein:
1999
9:01.?y FLO
2000
8:54.8mi CMU indoor
8:52.94y Nike Indoor
8:41.10m Roosevelt
8:58.85m MITCA team
9:00.6
Conway Carnacked:
<>
I dunno' about the mediocrity part.
Did you see that last foul by Stringfellow? I know talking about a scratch
is like arguing about whether Superman could beat up the Hulk, but dang!
It wasn't THAT much of a scratch and it LOOKED like a mid 28' jump and if
the Hulk got REA
Well, technically it won't be El Guerrouj's 5000 debut. At the 1992 World
Junior Championships he ran 13:46.79 for the bronze medal. Incidentally the
race was won by none other than... Haile Gebrselassie; '93 5000 world
champion Ismael Kirui was inbetween. Pretty stud group of medal winners.
El G
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> >What is the most sub-9:00 2-miles/ 3200m races by a HS boy during his HS
> >career?
> >
> >A friend asked me how many Ritz racked up and whether he had the most?
> >
> >I knew he had quite
Greetings, all
I've posted the entirety of editor and publisher Al Sheahen's column in the
August 2001 National Masters News. In it, he sharply criticizes the
organizers of the recent Brisbane world masters track championships as well
as WMA, the world governing body.
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