Re: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Conway
Would seem to me that if we are talking about a performance that should be confined to an event or days worth of competition ... And in that regard, while I have never been a big Carl Lewis fan, his 100/LJ competition in Tokyo (9.86 WR and best LJ series ever) should rate as #1 !!! The LJ itself c

Re: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Dan Kaplan
My mistake, thanks for correcting me. I had the idea right, just the wrong numbers... For what it's worth, 45 minutes is the time span I've always seen posted for his record setting spree. Dan --- Christopher Goss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Plus, weren't one or two of the records converte

t-and-f: Top Africans to chase Euros in Dublin Marathon

2001-10-16 Thread Eamonn Condon
THE IRISH TIMES Wednesday, October 17, 2001 Ian O'Riordan A strong African presence, coupled with substantial prize-money, is guaranteed to produce an exciting elite race in the forthcoming Dublin Marathon. Set for the Bank Holiday of Monday October 29th, this year's 26.2-mile race includes a

Re: t-and-f: Indoor Championships to return to NYC

2001-10-16 Thread Reuben Frank
I agree totally with Bruce. The Armory is the ideal venue for the Archbishop Malloy Stanner Games or the Ridgewood Varsity Classic, but I can't imagine how it can accomodate a meet like nationals. It can barely accomodate Easterns! I sure hope they figure it out because I love the armory. It

Re: t-and-f: Indoor Championships to return to NYC

2001-10-16 Thread Bruce Berry
W/O adding the seats, 3,500 - 3,000. The problem is warm-up area, THERE IS NONE and all the seat (not being brought in) are not track friendly.. Sort of like sitting in the upper decks on the back stretch @ Penns w/ the over hang, you have to wait until the runners come back into view. The Armo

RE: t-and-f: NYT nonsense re marathon record

2001-10-16 Thread Oleg Shpyrko
There were a bunch of "studies" which extrapolated that women's marathon times will get faster than men's in very near future - in 1992 Nature published an article by physiologists Susan Ward and Brian Whipp who predicted that by 1998 (!) women will catch up to men in marathon, and in the followin

Re: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Edward Koch
Joe D's 56 game hitting streak is the most overrated of all sports records. Somebody who had two 28 game hitting streaks in the same 57 games with a hitless game in the middle instead of the end had the same value to his team. I believe Joe's average for the hitting streak was about .420 or .430 b

Re: t-and-f: NYT nonsense re marathon record

2001-10-16 Thread Eamonn Condon
A quick glance at the world records/bests provides little evidence that the men versus women gap is significantly closer over the marathon than other championship distances. In fact, Ndereba's time compares far less favorably with the men's record than Florence Griffith-Joyner's 100m record stacks

Re: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Paul Alsdorf
>Before we get too far into who's-better-who's-best amongst these well-known >athletes, though, I would love to hear from the list's historians and >non-USA members about candidates for the Greatest Track And Field >Performance Not Known By The Average American. All of them.

Re: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread William Bahnfleth
>HERSHEY, Pa. (AP) -- Wilt Chamberlain >set a National Basketball Association scoring >record of 100 points tonight as the >Philadelphia Warriors defeated the New >York Knickerbockers, 169-147. The >combined score was an association record, >too. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/n

t-and-f: NYT nonsense re marathon record

2001-10-16 Thread Martin J. Dixon
First SI and now The Paper of Record. It's not on the site so I'm just quoting an excerpt. One Jere Longman's weigh in on the women's marathon record: "...Ndereba...broke the previous mark by 59 seconds, and rekindled discussions about whether women might eventually run the marathon faster than me

RE: t-and-f: Indoor Championships to return to NYC

2001-10-16 Thread Paul Banta
What is the seating capacity of the Armory? Paul Banta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Indoor Championships to return to NYC Contact:

Re: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Christopher Goss
Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus, weren't one or two of the records converted marks for distance en route, i.e the 200m split of his 220y record? To TRY to set the record straight regarding Owens' May 25, 1935 performance, the following was included in an ESPN article (http://espn.

Re: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Christopher Goss
>> Jordan scoring 69 points in a playoff game, or making any dozens of game-winning shots is certainly noteworthy and I will disagree with Christopher and say that I think he has a number of performances in the top 5-10 in NBA history Jordan's high in the playoffs is 63 (in DOUBLE OVERTI

RE: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Dan Kaplan
--- Kurt Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wait a minute Jeff, you are conflating your Owens' performances. The > "three world records in 45 minutes" performance was in a college meet Plus, weren't one or two of the records converted marks for distance en route, i.e the 200m split of his 220y re

Re: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Mitchell S. Clair, Esq
Owens was great--Lewis was argueably better, but neither should top the list. Individual: Heiden-5 golds (500 to 1 meters) Spitz-7 golds Woods(assuming it's a sport)-4 consecutive majors. Team: Joe D's-56 game hitting streak--the greatest record in all of s

RE: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Kurt Bray
>Three world records in a 45 minute period of time is pretty hard to argue >with. Carl Lewis did duplicate the results (in terms of gold medals), but >he did not set three world records, nor did he win them in 45 minutes, but >rather over a series of days. Wait a minute Jeff, you are conflatin

t-and-f: Kenah in NY Marathon

2001-10-16 Thread Ed Grant
Netters: Learned today that Rich kenah, who has "retired" from 800M competition, will be running the NY Marathon this year. Will ask him why this Sunday when I see him at the Pennsylvania Ave. Mile in Washington, DC< where wife Cjeri will run the elite women's race.

t-and-f: U.S. Indoor Nationals Returning to NY

2001-10-16 Thread WMurphy25
--- Begin Message --- Craifg Masback, CEO of USATF, announced today that the U.S. Indoor Championships are returning to NYC after an 8-year stay in Atlanta. Previously held at Madison Square Garden, the Indoor Champs will be held at NY's fabled Armory. The meet will be held on March 1-2, w

RE: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Hanks, Jeffrey S
The media poll was regarding the "greatest individual sports performance" and not the greatest individual sports career. I think Lewis has a strong claim to that over Owens, however in terms of an individual sports performance it's hard to argue with what Owens did at the Olympics. Jeff -

t-and-f: Indoor Championships to return to NYC

2001-10-16 Thread Usatfcom99
Contact:Jill M. Geer Director of Communications, USATF 317-261-0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, October 16, 2001 USA Indoor Track & Field Championships to return to New York NEW YORK - The USA Indoor Track & Field Cha

RE: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Hanks, Jeffrey S
I think the issue of contention here as Christopher points out is individual performance versus career performance. I have long been a Jordan fan and am frankly thrilled that he's returned to the NBA this year, but I think it's fair to say that Jordan's successes have been a result of continuous

Re: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Christopher Goss
What Jordan accomplishments, Marty, do you consider to be anywhere close to winning four Olympic gold medals or breaking three world records and tying a fourth in a single 45 minute period? I will let the baseball purists explain why Ruth's achievement cannot be compared to this season's home run

Re: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread goldbu1
Not only did Carl lewis match Owens' olympic feat in 1984 (against stronger adversaries), HE ALSO PICKED UP FOUR CONSECUTIVE LONG JUMP OLYMPIC TITLES AFGAINST FORMIDABLE OPPOSITION AND THREE SUCCESSIVE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS TITLES OVER 100M (1983, 1987 AND 1991). And he remains the only man ever

RE: t-and-f: new men's and women's marathon world junior records at Beijing

2001-10-16 Thread Post, Marty
One more footnote re the Beijing Marathon. Note that it was part of the 9th Chinese National Games. The track and field part of the CNG will be held in Guangzhou, from Nov. 17-23. Recall what happened the last two times the CNG were held, at Beijing in '93 and Shanghai in '97. There was some re

RE: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Gerald Woodward
As I recall, Jesse Owens four wins at the Big Ten Cchampionships also set World Records? That has to be the greatest feat by an athlete in a single day! I love Ali, Lance Armstrong, etal, but I don't think they come close. Gerald -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAI

RE: t-and-f: new men's and women's marathon world junior records at Beijing

2001-10-16 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
More "WJR" tomfoolery ... Similar to the Kenyans who want the world to swallow a 16-year-old male running 27:43 ... check this out ... < 1 Liu Min 29.11.83 Liaoning2:23:37 NR WJR (début, broke Wang Junxia NR 2:24:07 from Tianjin 4 Apr 1993, earlier WJR 2:27:30 Ai Do

t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

2001-10-16 Thread Post, Marty
According to a news item today Jesse Owens has finished 1-2 in a media poll to determine the greatest individual sports performance "in the USA" [sic] from 1901-2000. In nationwide voting for the Gillette 100 Greatest Sports Performances, Owens' four gold medal performance at the 1936 Olympics in

Re: t-and-f: CC Rankings?

2001-10-16 Thread Neal Davis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] asked, > > Can someone post the men's and women's rankings? I couldn't find a women's poll for this week, but here's the men's poll. Sorry if someone's already done this. Neal Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alexandria, Virginia Mondo Coaches' poll for NCAA Division I Men's Cross

t-and-f: CC Rankings?

2001-10-16 Thread robert . j . henes
Can someone post the men's and women's rankings? Our company has blocked access to all sports related web sites and it's killing me. Thanks, Bob

t-and-f: New, improved masterstrack.com links!

2001-10-16 Thread TrackCEO
Greetings, all I've updated my Masters Track & Field Links page to add some nice live sites and prune some dead ones (Clay, where's your Arizona site?). Best new links include an English-language version of the Russian Veterans Sports Council and a musical Japanese masters Web site that can be