t-and-f: Chilly B's Shallow Alto Intelligencer

Listers, family members, friends, guests First things first, you'll soon find out the track is located at, more or less El Camino and Embarcadero(although Embarcadero becomes Galvez as it enters the Stanford campus). At this junction, you'll find the Town and Country Village, a very

t-and-f: American Distance Running

Hey, Don't forget Steve Scott! Silver Medal 83 Worlds, AR in the mile (20th anniversary this year) He was just as good as Pre, Spivey, etc. They all were great. I think the point was the lack of depth now. Just some thoughts. S. Winrow

RE: t-and-f: NW Pole Vault Championships and Alki Beach vault

We just had our first street pole vault meeting in Hexham on Friday night It was awesome!! BOXERCISE STREET VAULT MEETING: Hexham 2002 www.teamdecathlon.com and www.boxercise.co.uk Anyone got anymore good venues for use to use Richard -Original Message- From:

t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Milers on a Four-Minute Mission

This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some interesting stuff in here especially given the current thread about the state of distance running. The usual omission of the adjective American when describing the high schoolers given that Canadians attend such an

Re: t-and-f: George??

Gee... what about Tim Broe? --- William Bahnfleth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or Horace. At 06:57 PM 6/17/2002 -0400, Robert Hersh wrote: Message text written by Richard McCann Aren't all great American steeplechasers named George??? ;^) Ask Henry or Brian.

t-and-f: USATF Release - June 18, 2002

Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, June 18, 2002 Multi-events kick off USA Outdoor

t-and-f: Khannouchi To Run Chicago

WORLD'S FASTEST MARATHONER RETURNING TO CHICAGO World Record Holder Khalid Khannouchi To Run The LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon Chicago (June 17, 2002) Khalid Khannouchi, the fastest man ever to run a marathon, has committed to his fifth LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon, announced today by

t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors

Alan Webb has signed with Ray Flynn's Sports Management agency (terms undisclosed). He's leaving Michigan and returning to Virginia. Will train with HS coach Scott Razcko and enroll at George Mason U. Won't run junior nationals this weekend. Details and quotes from Webb at www.runnersworld.com

Re: t-and-f: American distance running walking

At 02:36 AM 6/18/2002 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:35:41 -0500 From: Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: American distance running There are probably some one-dimensional free style swimming fans who would also rather hear from Lance Armstrong

Re: t-and-f: American distance running

At 02:36 AM 6/18/2002 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Im not a big liberal but there is something to diversity. I could write a book on what I think is wrong with U.S. distance coaching (note not running) but the ideas would be so counbter to the running culture I'd get roasted. Believe you me

Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Milers on a Four-Minute Mission

In a message dated Tue, 18 Jun 2002  6:32:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some interesting stuff in here especially given the current thread about the state of distance running. The usual omission of the adjective American when describing the high schoolers given that

RE: t-and-f: old guys

At 11:58 PM 6/17/2002 -0400, malmo wrote: Don't tell me you, I said go tell Spivey, Spence,Crogan, Holman, and Kennedy. malmo Best as I can tell, all but one of those is retired, and only one of the others is still coaching in any significant way. The rest are probably pontificating, too

t-and-f: Jason Drake new distance coach at Washington State Univ.

...full story at: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134477122_regr18.html Paul Merca

t-and-f: Judge sentences man to run road race after he fled from police

Here's a training method not yet discussed here to boost US distance running... (not sure if the person in question is US-born, though) A judge in Painesville, 20 miles east of Cleveland, sentenced a man to run in the July 28 Johnnycake Jog 5 miler after he was found guilty of fleeing from

Re: t-and-f: American distance running

From: Richard McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, I like that topic. I'm all for spearing sacred cows. I know that I defend the Lydiard approach pretty strongly, but so far I haven't seen any noted successes from the neural pathways advocates (see for example Running Research News or Jim Hunt,

Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Milers on a Four-Minute Mission

In a message dated Tue, 18 Jun 2002  2:02:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: True enough and I was fully expecting that reply so I could give this one: The 15 year old Africans running sub 4 on dirt tracks barefoot make the whole discussion irrelevant in

Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Milers on a Four-Minute Mission

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but has any Canadian done it who wasn't one of Ontario's Grade 13 people, ergo tending to be a year older than American counterparts? If 1500m conversions count, I believe Kevin Sullivan has a 3:38 to his credit as a 12th grader that is certainly of sub-4

Re: t-and-f: Jason Drake new distance coach at Washington State Univ.

Drake, who was the distance coach at Colorado for the past eight years... Wetmore wasn't the distance coach at Colorado??? Can't say I know who Jason Drake is. Assistant distance coach, maybe? http://cubuffs.ocsn.com/sports/c-track/mtt/colo-c-track-mtt.html Hmm, looks like he was the

Re: t-and-f: Chilly B's Shallow Alto Intelligencer

In a message dated Tue, 18 Jun 2002  3:53:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, toby - [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One very important note:  this IS Garry's house.  if'n you're nice, he might actually tell you where his local is. Actually, I hang out mainly in neighboring Los Altos (my local is a

Re: t-and-f: Chilly B's--part ii

In a message dated Tue, 18 Jun 2002  3:53:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, toby - [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At this junction, you'll find the Town and Country Village, a very typical California outdoor shopping center.  Here, you'll find a great sit-down restaurant in Hobee's(specializing in

Re: t-and-f: American distance running walking

Richard McCann wrote: Vis a vis, the backstroke vs. freestyle analogy: Some of us believe that cycling has a closer relationship to distance running than walking does. Why would anyone think that? Running is a high impact activity with eccentric forces approximately 2.5 times body weight.

t-and-f: Snell's conqueror--a clue

Actually, Snell got beaten by two high schoolers in a mile in June of ’65. For most of the list there would be just one, but in deference to Martin Dixon's sensitivities we'll include Canadians under that rubric. So you've got a race in which the reigning Olympic champion loses to both a

t-and-f: how did this go unremarked?!

(OK, so i didn't even notice it until today myself) Auburn, Washington finally breaks (intrinsically, since York already bettered it in metric sense) the legendary 4 x 880 records of 7:35.6 from way back in '66. What are you old NY guys going to have to talk about now? :-) gh

Re: t-and-f: Snell's conqueror--a clue

I'm thinking that it would have to be Norm Trerise and I already guessed Danielson but I guess that isn't right. Regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Snell got beaten by two high schoolers in a mile in June of ’65. For most of the list there would be just one, but in deference

t-and-f: Snell, clue ii

a bit of a teaser: even though the Canadian and the American lived in separate countries, it could be said they went to HS in the same city. gh

t-and-f: RE: t-and-f: Snell's conqueror--a clue

I believe the American prep was Roscoe Divine. Snell was sick at the race in Vancouver and finished 10th, around 4:15. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Snell's conqueror--a

Re: t-and-f: how did this go unremarked?!

In a message dated 6/18/02 3:44:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Auburn, Washington finally breaks (intrinsically, since York already bettered it in metric sense) the legendary 4 x 880 records of 7:35.6 from way back in '66. What are you old NY guys going to have to talk about now? :-)

Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Milers on a Four-Minute Mission

Given that a Kenyan passport means squat it's safe to say there are no 18 year old Kenyan kids running four minute miles either. malmo That in itself raises a good question: Are there any 15-year-old Africans are running any sub-4:00 miles on any kind of track, shod or not? Given that they

Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors

Ray Flynn is a list lurker. What say ye Ray? If it all blows up in the kids face, when you are no longer pimpin him, will the deal have been good enough to trade away the best four years of his life? Or is it just business? malmo Alan Webb has signed with Ray Flynn's Sports Management agency

t-and-f: Snell--halfway there

OK, Marty Post remembered that Roscoe Divine (Vancouver, Washington) beat Snell in Vancouver, B.C., in June of '65 when the Kiwi was way sick and gacked on the track after finish last in 4:15. But he was only the second prep to beat him that night. What Canadian high schooler--and Divine's

t-and-f: when a record isn't one

USATF release: Huddle named USATF Athlete of the Week Molly Huddle ran 10:01.08 to set a national high school record in the girls two-mile run Friday at the adidas Outdoor Track Field Championships at North Carolina State University. Huddle finished 25 seconds ahead of the field, beating the

t-and-f: USATF Release - June 18, 2002

Contact:Joe Hughes Communications Intern USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x357 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, June 18, 2002 Huddle named USATF Athlete of the Week

Re: t-and-f: RE: t-and-f: Snell's conqueror--a clue

Well I seemed to be getting nowhere with my guessing and poking around so I asked someone who has been on the scene in BC for quite awhile and boy did I ever get a great answer and history lesson. Thanks Gerry. The Canadian would have been Terry Dooley. There was no BC High School Championships

Re: t-and-f: how did this go unremarked?!

In a message dated 6/18/02 4:44:14 PM, FMBYRNES writes: The 7:35.6 was on a dirt track...using the reverse conversion tables that I've devised, Auburn's 7:32.89 is only worth 7:40.89 on dirt, so Boys High and Andrew Jackson still lead MY all-time list. Walt Murphy (One of those old NY

t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??

From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED], 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:59:52 EST Ray Flynn is a list lurker. What say ye Ray?

Re: t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??

What say ye Ray? If it all blows up in the kids face, when you are no longer pimpin him, will the deal have been good enough to trade away the best four years of his life? He gets to ... pick his races judiciously, and lord knows what else... but in no way is Webb being pimped out of

Re: t-and-f: how did this go unremarked?!

Walt, according to http://www.cknow.com/ckinfo/emoticons.htm , the computer symbol for 'tongue-in-cheek' (sorry they don't have one for tounge-in-cheek, is :-? But use it judiciously, because that symbol is also said to represent Pipe smoker, Blue Oyster Cult fetishist, or Licking lips. ...ALL

t-and-f: Setting the record straight

For the record the 7:35.6 for the 2 mile relay (4 x 880 yards) was set on the St John's University all-weather track, not a dirt/cinder type. I was there, having been a student at Jamaica HS, 3/4 mile away on the south side of Grand Central Parkway. We trained at St Johns during the winter when

Re: t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??

the best 4 years of Webb's life, eh? And Malmo decided as to which four years, that's cool, can you do that for me too. How are you with the stock market, best 4 stocks to buy? Lets see, he gets to run for a coach he trusts, be close to home. and schedule the races he wants to run. Did i mention

Re: t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??

ray flynn has nothing to explain to any of us. It's the business that we choose major tom

Re: t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??

The kid isn't ready to be thrown to the wolves yet. Let's continue this discussion in four years. I hope I'm wrong. malmo From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED], 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

t-and-f: Ex-Olympic Champion Davenport Dies

From: RT sad news. Ex-Olympic Champion Davenport Dies By Associated Press June 18, 2002, 7:06 PM EDT CHICAGO -- Willie Davenport, who won the gold medal in the 110-meter hurdles in 1968 and competed in a total of five Olympics, died of a heart

Re: t-and-f: Flynn the pimp??

A message sent to the list which generated the same type of pro and con replies: Subject: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb Date:Wed, 30 May 2001 07:17:53 -0400 From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Field List [EMAIL PROTECTED] I realize that this is

Re: t-and-f: American distance running walking

The most important component of distance running probably is oxygen delivery and consumption, not mechanical forces, unlike sprinting, jumping, etc. Cycling, particularly time trialing and hill climbing, requires a higher VO2max, which is comparable to the stresses of running. Walking is

Re: t-and-f: Setting the record straight

In a message dated 6/18/02 6:44:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the record the 7:35.6 for the 2 mile relay (4 x 880 yards) was set on the St John's University all-weather track, not a dirt/cinder type. As soon as I sent my original post, I started to wonder if my memory had failed me

Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors

I'm sure Ray Flynn did not recruit Webb to his group by encouraging him to leave school. But if Webb wants to leave a school and sign with an agent, why should Flynn turn him down? sideshow

t-and-f: Athlete information for USA Outdoor Championships

The Athlete Information packet for the USA Outdoor Championships is available at the USA Track Field website: http://www.usatf.org/events/2002/USAOutdoorChampionships/athleteInfo/A thleteInformationPacket.pdf The packet contains important information about: Facilities Practice schedules

Re: t-and-f: American distance running walking

Richard You're talking in circles. All races in TF are about moving the body over a distance as fast as possible. Some of these races have obstacles rules which restrain the athlete to some degree. These are hurdles, exchange zones, lanes and yes, technique(s) required to navigate the

Re: t-and-f: Webb goes pro; out of juniors

Hate to ask the obvious, but not being hip to distance running... Webb is extremely good for an american 19 year old, but is he actually good enough to be invited to meets that would allow him to earn money from running outside of the shoe contract? I can't see the title of HS mile recordholder

t-and-f: Coaching position

HEAD COACH UNIVERSITY OF ALBERTA TRACK FIELD AND CROSS COUNTRY University of Alberta Athletics invites applications for the position of Head Coach of the Track Field and Cross Country teams. Reporting to the Director of Athletics, the head coach will be responsible for all duties

t-and-f: USATF Media Advisory: Jones, Montgomery added to Thursday press conference

Triple Olympic gold medalist Marion Jones and 2001 U.S. men's 100m champion Tim Montgomery have been added to USA Track Field's star-studded 11 a.m. Thursday (June 20) press conference at the Sheraton Palo Alto. Please see below for full details of the event.

t-and-f: USATF Release: Kilmartin, Pickler lead USA Junior combined events

Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, June 18, 2002 Kilmartin, Pickler lead USA Junior Combined Events National

Re: t-and-f: American distance running walking

Netters Rich wrote: The most important component of distance running probably is oxygen delivery and consumption, not mechanical forces, Well here is where I start to differ. Consumption and delivery are not that important. What is that important is the speed at which you are doing it and

Re: t-and-f: Chilly B's--part ii

not convenient...unless you're chris katon in a 'borrowed' rickey's security golf cart headin the wrong way down el camino to the aggie post-XC nats party('97) while wearing a cape. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Chilly

t-and-f: palo alto tips (re-forward them to me?)

hey, i just accidentally deleted toby's tips for places to drink/eat in palo alto, can someone re-forward them to me (sorry, i haven't figured out how to use the search function for the list) thanks, g Geoff Thurner