> But I am disappointed that as a lawyer in charge of
> an organization as
> important as WADA that he'd attack a guy he didn't
> really remember and
> didn't have ironclad facts about. That's the
> credibility issue that concerns
> me.
>
Exactly. It's a bit disturbing that the head of USADA,
whi
My previous post said that Shorter undermined his credibility by not even
getting the year right, and that's not exactly what I meant. I don't expect
him to remember a precise year from 30+ years ago, since he's not a
statistician.
But I am disappointed that as a lawyer in charge of an organizatio
because she had a religious upbringing that does not support appearing in
bun huggers. There are a few women who do not care to wear them.
In a message dated 12/4/2002 4:15:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>I've never seen Marion Jones race in regular shorts or "bun huggers",
>has anyone else?
No need to crosscheck: Frank's credibiity takes another hit because he can't
even get the year right. U.S. had duals with Germany (Stuttgart) and Britain
(London) in '69. The U.S.-France dual was in '70. Both Frenn and Shorter
were in all 3 meets (plus the previously mentioned '72 Olympics). And he
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:46:23 -0800
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: t-and-f: A dark day
>
> But to just yank stories
> outright simply because editors believe a viewpoint
> different than there own HAS to be erroneous- well,
> th
I'm sure one of you statisticians is right now checking
out what meets occured in France in 1969, with Frank
Shorter entered, and then cross-checking the hammer
throw entrants in the same meet.
Do any of those entrants have names that remotely sound
like George something- maybe "Georges" ?
I suspe
The revelation of the story killing should be a bigger
story than the Augusta story behind it- there are MUCH
bigger implications.
It was indeed a discussion topic on the Fox News Channel
this evening, but I doubt it got any commentary on the
other networks.
Rampant advocacy escaping the editorial
In a message dated 12/4/02 8:10:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< I used to write SI protesting their more recent pathetic coverage of track
but have given up. >>
They actually did a pretty good job this year(new editor-he likes track)--not
up to past standards, but far better than they've
Earlier today, Lee Nichols wrote (Re: t-and-f: Frank Shorter disses George
Frenn),
>(Man, I love the researching power of the web! It would have taken me
>a full day or more to discover that info in a library just a few
>years ago.)
Agreed, especially with Google searches. But I'm even more impre
Netters:
Though the subject has nothing to with track (or does it), a dark
day has dawned in American journalism with the confirmation by veteran NY
Times reporter Dave Anderson that a column oif his has been killed because
it disagreed with the paper's editorital policy on the Augusta Nat
I've got every issue back to 1970 in a very scary couple of rooms at
home that also have piles and piles of track publications and when I was
a kid I would periodically organize the SI collection by the sport on
the cover and track was reasonably well represented.
Regards,
Martin
Bob Duncan wrote:
Lee Nichols wrote:
> (Interesting side note: Track athletes were featured on the cover of
> SI no less than three times that year -- Pre was on the 6/15/70
> issue. And in a non-Olympic year! When was the last time that
> happened?)
I've been a SI subscriber since the mid-70's and it seemed that in
>From a thread a couple of months ago. Maybe he better get a press agent.
Regards,
Martin
"Webb is scheduled to make his marathon debut next month in Chicago.
Shorter
suspects that Webb has made a good decision."
Reuben Frank wrote:
>
> With Frenns like that ...
>
>
With Frenns like that ...
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The only French hammer thrower at Kent State (Jacques Accambray) was in the
NCAA 10 years after Frenn threw at Abilene Christian.
> From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:41:27 -0500
> To: "'Lee Nichols'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL
I've never seen Marion Jones race in regular shorts or "bun huggers",
has anyone else???Maybe GH has some old pictures
in the T&F archives!
Shorter may have gotten Frenn mixed up with those other French
hammer-throwers from Kent State. It could happen. Cosmic
unconsciousness. Shrimp plate $1.99.
malmo
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They were also on the U.S. Olympic team together in Munich.
gh
> From: Lee Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Lee Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:36:22 -0600
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: t-and-f: Frank Shorter disses George Frenn
>
> The wording is vague, so
And another oddity I discovered after a quick web search: Frenn was
featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated on July 6, 1970. Less
than a month later (8/3/70), Shorter was on the cover.
(Interesting side note: Track athletes were featured on the cover of
SI no less than three times that year
The wording is vague, so I wonder if the mistake was Shorter's or the
reporter's? The part about Frenn being dead might be understandable,
as athletes get forgotten after their glory years, but the part about
him being a Frenchman would be a strange mistake for Shorter to make,
because Frenn wa
>From Page A2 of today's New York Times:
Editors' Note
A front-page article on Monday described the use of steroids by men and
women seeking larger, more chiseled bodies. The article traced the spread of
the drugs from the world of weight lifting and bodybuilding to the general
society.
In discu
If you read my earlier post about the T&FN Atheltes Of The Year, you may
have noticed that even though El Guerrouj was the winner, he actually had
fewer No. 1 votes than Khannouchi did.
Go to our site (www.trackandfieldnews.com) and you can weigh in in this
exceedingly close contest.
gh
RADCLIFFE & EL GUERROUJ NAMED ATHLETES OF THE YEAR
Mountain View, California--Track & Field News has named Paula Radcliffe of
Great Britain and Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco as its 2002 Athletes Of The
Year in its December edition.
T&FN's international panel of experts made marathon World Record
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Wednesday, December 4, 2002
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The first airing of the NCAA Div.I X-Country Championships will be January 8
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