Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

2001-08-31 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
> I ask you why? Once again, age group swimming is widely popular. You see > tennis players begin and even go on the tour at age 14 or 15 (Sampras beat > Lendl in the US Open at 19... Capriatti had to be 15 when she was first > became a stud, etc). No one thinks twice about sending their kid ou

Re: t-and-f: believe it or not

2001-08-30 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
> Hmm, let's see. 30-year-old Carl Lewis set his first record in the 100, was succceeded by 27-year-old Leroy Burrell who was suceeded by 28-year-old Donovan Bailey. MJ set the 200 record at 28, the 400 record (finally) at 30. > > Meanwhile, Geb holds the 5K and 10K marks set when he was 25. And

Re: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
>Maybe Entine is right ... we have no chance, and should just give up before > >we fall further behind. We have no chance of ever getting a 16 year old to > >go 8:19 or even a 19 year old to go 7:58. Yep, and no chance of ever getting someone to run 3:53, either. Never say never, just figure o

Re: t-and-f: ISTAF start lists

2001-08-28 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
> M 4X200 - MJ, Jerome DAvis, Leonard Byrd, Derrick Brew Aren't these guys better known for the 400m, not the 200m (except for MJ of course)? - Ed Parrot

t-and-f: Re: t-and-f: Re: t-and-f: Re: altitude aid (was: El G's pace in Zürich

2001-08-21 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
> In a message dated Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:19:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ed & Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > We could debate endlessly how much, if any, effect on performance there is at this low altitude, but it would undoubtedly be small enough that

t-and-f: Re: t-and-f: Re: altitude aid (was: El G's pace in Zürich

2001-08-21 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> > There is NO effect on performance in either the sprints or distances at 2000 feet. The Air pressure is essentialy the same.> > > The boffins who created the wind/altitude-aid charts for our Big Green Book maintain that 800m of altitude >>(c2400ft) is worth 0.03 seconds in the 100 in still ai

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-20 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> And Bob, please explain why what Kaouch did in 1999 and this year is any > different, in terms of "fair play", than when a lapped (or about to be > lapped) runner provides pacing help to a teammate (which is covered in the > IAAF rules). Simple - a lapped runner can be at an advantage over

Re: t-and-f: Altitude correction... opinion stands...

2001-08-20 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> In addition, IF there is any effect, after being there for a week or more, one should have adjusted to it > to the point where it would not have effected their performance. I completely agree that the altutude can not have been much of factor, and not only that, even if it did have a tiny effec

Re: t-and-f: RE: t-and-f: El G's pace in Zürich

2001-08-20 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> How long will it be until we see a 3:25? > > Thoughts? Once a dependable urine test for EPO is developed, we will not see a 3:25 (or 12:35) for several years after that. Just like the levelling of women's sprint times and weight event distances in both sexes since random testing was introduced

Re: t-and-f: More Yegorva

2001-08-20 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> I guess if we all weren't so Pro-American, we could > argue that SFH dropping out in Edmonton makes her more > guilty towards drug use. This way she didn't have to > get caught on the world stage. > I'm not accusing anyone here, but we never seem to see > Americans in the same light as the east

Re: t-and-f: Re: Yegorova - the only "enormous improver"?

2001-08-20 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> And please spare me the effects of a lifetime of drug > taking. Many drugs help us and nobody is thinking twice > about taking them when they need. I think 3 or 4 times before I take ANY drug, including aspirin or cold medicine. I know many other people who feel the same way. There is quite

Re: t-and-f: Re: Yegorova - the only "enormous improver"?

2001-08-20 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> You say Yegerova was demonised and singled out among "most likely" a > "non-negligible" number of athletes. I assume you mean that a lot of > athletes take EPO or some drugs. Yegerova is demonised because at the World > Championships she was the only one that the charge can be levelled at with >

Re: t-and-f: scheduling US nationals

2001-08-15 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Has anyone at USATF thought about scheduling US nationals during that > period next year, rather than the traditional mid-June window? > Granted, those active in Europe might like to take a rest during the > Euros, but as the US season effectively ends in mid-June these days, > perhaps schedulin

Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe's surge

2001-08-15 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
My guess is that regardless of what Radcliffe did, she could not have won ths race. She is a great runner, a talented runner and an admirable runner. But she is NOT any better than several of the Ethiopians at the 10K on the track. So, lacking finishing speed, she is bound to lose to them most o

Re: t-and-f: televising distance races

2001-08-15 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> In 1988 NBC showed the men's 5,000 live at 11:45 pm PDT (2:45 EDT) and > took two commercial breaks (missing, of course, John Ngugi's decisive > surge). Both Craig Masback and D W I G H T have in the past cited the > huge tune-out of viewers at the very start of this particular race as > eviden

Re: t-and-f: Entine's flaws

2001-08-14 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> So this looks like only 7 non-Africans have produced times in the top 100 > all time, right? > > I'd put Juantorena on the list though (maybe that was his 8th). It's hard to categorize anyone from the West Indies or Central America unless you know their specific origin. But assuming Juantorena

Re: t-and-f: re: Edwards thoughts on Yegorova

2001-08-14 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> So, for them to clear her in a matter of days leads me to believe that she either wasn't guilty or that there >were serious problems with the testing protocol. Someone correct me if they know differently, but there WAS a problem with the testing protocol - they didn't do a blood test. The IAAF

Re: t-and-f: Post Edmonton thoughts

2001-08-14 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >I've got a two-word answer to that line of thinking: Houston and Cerritos. > As in the nationals of '89 and '90, where the domestic version of the > sport, imho, came close to dieing at the top end. > < > > And I have a one-word answer to the

Re: t-and-f: RE: Post Edmonton thoughts

2001-08-14 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Was a hard meet to get up for some reason .. The first couple of days > were very exciting as the 100 men burned up the track .. But things cooled > off and seemed to stay that way .. Didn't seem to have the usual electricity > associated with the Worlds .. Was nice however to see TV coverage th

Re: t-and-f: MJ BAD for the sport- JD on the other hand...

2001-08-14 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Does anyone else think Michael Johnson is bad for the future of track and > field? He admittedly knows nothing about anything other than the sprints, > he was so negative about the outcome of these WC, and he has said in the > past that track and field should just do away with the distance race

Re: t-and-f: Pre-empting

2001-08-13 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> What are the chances that the World Series will pre-empted by a broadcast of > a Gulf States regional junior olympic track meet? I was thinking the same thing, but in all fairness, the track meet was taped while the baseball game was live, and they did show the full hour of track afterwards, pr

Re: t-and-f: Why do we send these people?

2001-08-12 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Why do we send slow marathoners to the worlds? That requires a four part answer: 1. We don't have many fast marathoners. Our 8-10th best women's marathoner in recent years will have a PR barely under 2:40, which means we can't realistically expect any better than 2:43-2:45 in a championship rac

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Tom D. wrote: > I think the meaningful part applies to the notion that British athletes > should train harder as Coe suggests in order to beat the Africans. If the > reason for training harder is solely to beat the Africans then the numbers > Entine quotes are meaningful, but if the reason for a B

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> We are talking population genetics. When 7 percent of the world's population > holds 98 percent of the top times in sprinting, and 5 percent holds more > than 70 percent of the top endurance times, it is meaningful. "statistically significant", yes. "meaningful"? I have yet to be convinced it

Re: t-and-f: Drugs are talk of the town

2001-08-09 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> < the start of the race, but Ljungqvist also stated that other athletes > << <<>> > Wouldn't the added fitness from a year's (or many year's) worth of training > on EPO make her physically more fit than her rivals. She wouldn't lose > those gains, correct? I was wondering about that myse

Re: t-and-f: 800 splits

2001-08-08 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Any idea what kind of splits the bronze medalist ran? He was in last at maybe 52 seconds at halfway. - ed Parrot

Re: t-and-f: Tonight's TV Coverage - 5K?? Steeple??

2001-08-08 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
>Gee, lots of men's 10K coverage at 1:00A.M. Even the women's hammer throw > was on earlier than that. And, of course, still no time to show the men's 5K > or Steeple heats yet lots of time for virtually every heat of every distance > up to 1500. Heck, we get qualifying coverage in field even

t-and-f: WC thoughts on tuesday's early ESPN broadcast

2001-08-07 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Some thoughts on the broadcast today: -Women's 1500m. Szabo was as impressive as she ever has been. The 1500m really wasn't close and that's not even her best event. Unless she doesn't run, it's hard to picture anyone else winning the 5K. The Russian women ran a great race as well - her front

t-and-f: Monday's WC

2001-08-07 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Some random observations of last night's action on ESPN: 1. Michael Johnson hit it head on when he said Marion's form was off. Her right leg has always flared out a little, but this was ridiculous. If you have it on tape, watch the last 1 or 2 steps of the final and it is almost surprising she

Re: t-and-f: CJ Hunter

2001-08-07 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> on 6/8/01 9:30 PM, Ed & Dana Parrot at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I guess it's OK for the IAAF to cover up a drug test to prevent damage to > > the sport - read: their star attraction - but not OK for USATF to withhold > > names to protect the athletes ac

Re: t-and-f: Sprint Respect - warning RESULTS discussed

2001-08-06 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Does sprinting get any respect on this list any more ?? When Webb ran 3:54 > the list was abuzz for weeks .. Yet something even more amazing occurred > yesterday at the World's and nary a whisper !! It hasn't been on TV yet in the U.S. so it hasn't actually happened yet! I agree with Conway's

Re: t-and-f: CJ Hunter

2001-08-06 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
>``By keeping him out of the competition we did our duty. To go public and create fantastic headlines, that would be >further damage.'' So much for the procedural high ground, huh? I guess it's OK for the IAAF to cover up a drug test to prevent damage to the sport - read: their star attraction -

Re: t-and-f: Make $400 and find out if EPO works...

2001-08-06 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> VOLUNTEERS ARE NEEDED TO PARTICIPATE IN A PLACEBO- CONTROLLED RESEARCH STUDY > OF ERYTHROPOIETIN IN ATHLETES > > Criteria for Inclusion in the Study > > 1. Be between the ages of 18-40 > > 2. Weight between 90-120% of ideal body weight Interesting. I'd say #2 right there pretty much rules out

Re: t-and-f: TV-Men's 100, added coverage next week

2001-08-05 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> By the time ABC finalized its contract with the IAAF to cover the World > Championships, the time schedule for the meet had already been firmly > established. Unfortunately, tonight's final of the men's 100 takes place > after ABC is off the air. It will be shown on Monday night as part of ESPN

Re: t-and-f: IAAF Council decision

2001-07-31 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> "After requests from many developing athletic nations, Council has agreed > that technical delegates would have the power to approve the participation > of non-qualified athletes in field events as well as running events." > > Wasn't the basis of the uproar-generating proposals to reduce field e

Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Team USA roster for World Championshipsannounced

2001-07-25 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Yeah, but didn't Clark announce this a while ago? Christine Clifton was named to the team and then decided not to run about 3 weeks ago and was replaced (I believe with Rachel Cook). If Clark isn't running, there's been plenty of time to replace her. So, does anyone know if she's running? - Ed

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-19 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
It may sound asinine, but it is completely accurate in my experience.  And I don't consider it an insult.  Most (say, 80%) high school coaches are solely focused on the 2 or 3 high school seasons.  They don't want their kids racing out of season, so they very reasonably don't bother to learn

Re: t-and-f: Whatever Happened to the US Juniors?

2001-07-19 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
gh wrote: > 1. Not to take away from what USATF staff does in any way, shape or form, but > does the Junior meet REALLY need heavy staff involvement? Used to be both > nationals were put on solely by local organizers, and while there was the > occasional clunker, system seemed to work pretty well.

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-18 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> That again goes back to your association. I'm both a high school coach and > club coach as well as youth chair. We regularly have mass mailings as well > as word of mouth. We pass out literature at the high school coaches > association meeting and that association even has a seat on our board

Re: t-and-f: 100m conversions (RW article)

2001-07-17 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> 2) Assuming that paragraph does not contain any typos (I have no reason to > assume otherwise), Lewis and Thompson both ran their times with a 5.2 > tailwind, both had 0.21 seconds added on as an adjustment, but Thompson > ran at 1080m additional altitude. Why wouldn't his adjustment be greater

Re: t-and-f: Junior qualifying

2001-07-16 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
>2) Whatever meet(s) are used, something has to be done about the abysmal failure (and not just for junior meets) of too many >local USATF units to properly emply the local media to get the word around.   Having been involved with this on the ground level, the solution is simple - the local

t-and-f: WC qualifiers

2001-07-16 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Looking through the list of WC qualifiers, I noticed that none of the women's javelin throwers have met even the "B" standard for the world championships. I was curious how many times the U.S. has failed to send any athletes to the WC in an event due to having no qualified athletes? - Ed Parrot

Re: t-and-f: re: World Youth Qualifying

2001-07-15 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
>There has also been scheduling problems between Junior Olympic local and > regional meets and the "State Games" in many places. The problem is that the > State Games are multi-sport and Junior Olympic Regional meets are > multi-state. Scheduling that works for track may not work for swimming

Re: t-and-f: This will scare the hell out of you!

2001-07-03 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> How big are ticks? They are visible to the naked eye, right? > Ticks vary in size. Deer ticks, which are the most likely to carry Lyme disease, are tiny. It would pretty much be impossible to see one without stopping and looking very closely (unless one landed on your eyeball). But technica

Re: t-and-f: A China syndrome to be avoided

2001-07-02 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> >I'm no scholar of ancient history, and I don't have a reference source to > >back up this contention, but I'm pretty sure that the "stopping the wars" > >thing, like "amateurism," is revisionist history foisted on us by > >deCoubertin and his cronies. > > > I am an amateur student of ancient hi

Re: t-and-f: LASSITER, DOWNIN,SCHWALD (was U.S. STEEPLECHASE RECORD SET!)

2001-07-02 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Jack Moran wrote: > > Also, Lassiter (at least) got his A qualifier. Any word on how Downin or > > Schwald did? > > and MF wrote: > Lassiter won the 1500 at 3:50.78 with Downin in second at 3:51.06. Schwald > ran 4:07.33 for 4th in her race. Apparently the weather was kind of > crappy..."an over

Re: t-and-f: A China syndrome to be avoided

2001-07-01 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Perhaps sport has been made that morally threadbare by the drugs and the > money it found after pimping itself to TV. Perhaps the spirit has been made > that dark by the scandals radiating around those who run sport. Maybe there > is no sense left in expecting a higher ethical standard therein.

t-and-f: Borzakovskiy

2001-07-01 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Getting watch Borzakovskiy again on TV at the meet in Rome reminded how explosive a talent he is. It was never more evident than in his heat at the Olympics (I think the semis). Even when he doesn't win, his ability to turn it on and his incredibly smooth form make me think he will be the guy th

Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport

2001-06-29 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
>The Amateur Sports Act requires 20%+ of the USATF Board of Directors to be "active" athletes but USATF (then TAC/USA) >agreed in the early 1980's to give the athletes 20%+ of every committee. The Athletes Advisory Committee (AAC) oversees >the appointment or election of athletes to all the

Re: t-and-f: theoretical match-race amongst young gods

2001-06-28 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> so let's suppose that Webb and Ritz and met at either GWI or the Stanford Invite (choice of meet is simply the weekend >exactly between the showing of peak form for each, Webb in the Pre mile, Ritz in the USATF 5K). > > And choosing a distance "exactly" between 1M and 3.107M (5K), they go head-t

Re: t-and-f: Gabe's and Lassiters form?

2001-06-28 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
>You simply cannot overstride and develop a 98+ turnover. Get off your seat and try it. > It can not be done. So for the lay person or someone like myself who is physics deprived and research deprived (again >Hunt to me), simply counting the times the right foot hits the track over the course of

Re: t-and-f: booing Maurice (was a huge loss to the sport

2001-06-28 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> It's not his fault if USATF left him the loophole. That doesn't mean I don't think wild cards shouldn't be made to run in >the meet, however. They should, even if I'm not sure what the best methodology is. I think I like the suggestion another >poster made about a free pass to the final. The Sov

Re: t-and-f: analogies...

2001-06-28 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Try getting Martinez OR Clemens to pitch for FREE, folks, then maybe you have > an almost/nearly appropriate analogy. Bottom line is this -- until we pay our > "stars" like other "professional" sports, we have very little reason to > expect them to satisfy our every whim. Heck, how many of you d

Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport

2001-06-27 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Their were guys (and GIRLS!) who ran 2 or 3 events. Alan Culpepper ran both > the 5k and the 10k, and he is running the Worlds. Look at what Regina > Jacobs did. Could actually running all rounds of the 100m or 200m be that > ruinous to someone? That's not really the point. I am not necess

Re: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport

2001-06-26 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
I'd suggest that one of the primary responsible parties is the Athletes advisory committee.  They are the ones who are supposed to communicate the desires of the athletes.  Yet I have heard many athletes tell me that they don't adequately represent the athletes (or worse).   One note on the

Re: t-and-f: Gabe's and Lassiters form?

2001-06-26 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> --- Ed & Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nearly all the top distance runners derive the > > huge majority of their power from the pushoff/calves. > > Is that correct? I haven't seen any studies differentiating distance runners and sprinters in t

Re: t-and-f: Gabe's and Lassiters form?

2001-06-26 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Interesting because I hosted a distance clinic in Eugene on Sunday and > the panel spoke on the very issue you mention here. The athletes spoken > about were the shufflers like Jennings or Michael Johnson versus the > swing kickers like Hamilton. The panelist who spoke the most on the > subjec

Re: t-and-f: World Champs Relays

2001-06-25 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> We have MO and Bernard from > last year's relay team that will be on this year's 100 squad ... The trials > winner (Montgomery) has run the relay on several international squads ... > And Trials 100 5th placer Drummond has pretty much been a fixture on the 1st > leg on international teams for th

Re: t-and-f: U.S. World Championships Team

2001-06-25 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Assuming that information is correct (and I've no reason to doubt it, > although I haven't checked it), we have this situation: In the steeple, > 5,000, and 10,000, eight of the nine who finished in the top three have > World A qualifiers; but in the 800 and 1,500, five of the six in the top >

t-and-f: Medley

2001-06-19 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Another way to look at how impressive the South Lakes DMR is: In how many state meets would the combined time of the 400m winner, the 800m winner, the 1600m/mile winner and an extrapolation of the 1200m from the 2nd place miler or 800m runner beat the South Lakes time? Certainly in California (a

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going toEdmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> USATF's policy is to take as many people as possible per event. If Webb wins, > and doesn't meet the standard in doing so (and doesn't chase it in Europe), > then Michael Stember and David Krummenacker, assuming they run in Eugene, > will go to Edmonton. This is also assuming that Gabe Jennings

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going toEdmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Except that unlike Golf in Track and field performance is paramount. There > is room to let old duffers in in a golf tournament with nearly unlimited > space to play, In track there is limited space. So though allowing a > Steve Scott to run would remove a better runner from the field where

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going toEdmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Michael Contopoulos wrote: > Anyone notice that they have let Ryan Hall into the 1500m as the last > qualifier. Looks like they let the a guy in front of him in also with a > 3:42.6 when the time was 3:41 something. Ritz's was only like .16 of the Q > time not a full second.

Re: t-and-f: Medleys

2001-06-19 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
>I'm sure most of us will think of the record as "Webb's other HS record", and rightfully so since most of the credit for the final >time goes to him.  I agree that Richard Smith's 3:03 1200 was exceptional, but many teams could field a 50.2 400 runner and a >1:56 800 runner.   But could ma

Re: t-and-f: Webb maybe top 3 at USATF 1500... but not going to Edmonton.

2001-06-19 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> it would seem to be the same situation as 2000 Oly mens/womens Marathon > Trials if Webb wins > > the WC "B" standard is 3:38.40, which he's already met with 3:38.26 so he > would be able to go to Edmonton if he wins no matter how slow Unless two other Trials finalists break 3:36.20 afterwards,

Re: t-and-f: WC 'A' standard holders in distances?

2001-06-14 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> > BTM > > "I was lookin' at a Flashback Sunday, slow-motion weekend got me > > DNNN!" J.Geils, 1981 > Unless you were one of the people lined up to buy the album on the day of > release (didn't everyone?), you never heard this song in 1981, as it did not > debut on the top 40 until Marc

Re: t-and-f: Top HS milers-is there a Trend Yet?

2001-06-11 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> 14 4:02.7 Andy Powell Oliver Ames MA '99 Didn't Powell run a 3:43 1500m in Boston that converted to slightly faster than this 4:02.7? Or was his 1500 slower than that? I seem to recall the 4:02.7 was at a big mile in Seekonk, MA. - Ed Parrot

Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

2001-06-10 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> > Uh, maybe I'm wrong butcan't most WC guys who run 3:53 and better run > at > > least 47-48? Just wonderin'. I assume you mean 3:53 for the mile not the 1500. I think it varies greatly. I bet at least half of the WC qualifiers can run 47 point (regardless of whether they actually

Re: t-and-f: times on NC state records

2001-06-09 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
>>And sometimes - such as the boys 3200 - it is actually six seconds > >slower than someone has run for a longer race in the state meet. (Old 2 > >mile > >record 9:02; current 3200 record 9:08.) < > > > >I'm not sure what the equivalent would be, but I suspect that if something > >that stupid were

Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

2001-06-09 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> > Are you absolutely nuts? First, I've seen a 45.6 guy run > > 4:35 in the mile I feel fairly certain Mark Everett could manage in the low 4:00's. While it is true that some sprinters have a lot of difficulty with running something as long as a mile, not all of them do. I'd bet that at least

Re: t-and-f: Just a thought

2001-06-07 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> I commend the members of this list that have kept the Casey Martin decision > in an appropriate context. That is the context of common sense. I guess your common sense is different than mine. This really is a case of where do you draw the line. The Court said that walking is not an integral

Re: t-and-f: Bad decision

2001-06-05 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
>    To call a golf pro a "customer" of the PGA is totally absurd. A customer pays a fee knowing what he is going to get and what he is >not going to get. A professional golfer, if he indeed has to pay an entry fee, does it in the hope that his reward will be, and usually is, much >

Re: t-and-f: adidas Meet TV?

2001-06-04 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Bottom line is they weren't in there. It should be SOMEBODY'S job to make > sure they are in there. the onus is definitely on > the "Powers That Be" of t&f in this country to get the word and get the > results out there. Not just put on the wire and leave it up to the papers. > Demand it. D

Re: t-and-f: 1 for 11

2001-06-04 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Ed Koch wrote: > One less radical idea that I haven't seen discussed as an alternative to shorten the time of competition for the vertical >jumps would simply be to tinker more with the height increments, especially at the lower heights until the field narrows to >five or six competitors. Actual

Re: t-and-f: Webb

2001-06-03 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
A couple days ago, I finally got to see the mile on TV. Webb's performance was even more incredible in the watching. You hate to put even higher expectations on the kid, but he sure looked under control, like there is more there. I got the impression that he didn't really know what he was capab

Re: t-and-f: results : 2001 adidas Oregon Track Classic

2001-06-03 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Final MEN'S POLE VAULT SOBE > event used IAAF 2 miss rule (GP II test) 1. Pat > Manson, USA 5.35m (17-06.50); - Lawrence Johnson, USA NH; - Derek Miles, USA > NH; - Russ Buller, USA NH; - Tim Mack, USA NH. Any more info on this? Was it windy? What was the opening

Re: t-and-f: NJ Group meet

2001-06-03 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
>    The public school meet did not get by without some more official idiocy. This time, it was the disqualification of a 3200M girl runner >for "showing her navel" The rules required shirts to be tucked in and hers was at the start of the race but pulled loose during the >competition.

Re: t-and-f: USATF and Nationals and Money

2001-06-02 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> How would the 'grass roots' end of track & field > benefit from such an arrangement? If the elite > end of the sport could go straight to for-profit, > maybe the USOC funding could go straight to the > grass roots. The USOC approach to funding makes USATF look like the champions of grass root

Re: t-and-f: USATF and Nationals and Money

2001-06-02 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> It is my impression that USATF doesn't really have that much money that they > can afford to just GIVE it away. As always, who says you get to be paid for > running or for track & field? The money comes from the USOC for development - a lot more than just the 300K+ that is being awarded at nat

Re: T&F Fw: t-and-f: Pole vault question

2001-06-01 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> Points in favour, points against, but is it in accordance with the > rules? What would happen if a record was set? > David Dallman There are numerous situations where the games committee can make changes in the way a meet is conducted. Perhaps

Re: t-and-f: adidas Meet TV?

2001-06-01 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> For every Maurice or Marion that doesn't need the prize money that USATF is > offering, I think it's safe to say that there are many more athletes who will > welcome the influx of cash, as modest a sum as it may be. What did you > expect, $50,000 per event from the start? How about giving USATF

Re: t-and-f: Pole vault question

2001-05-31 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
It means only five vaulters will be vaulting at one time.  Let's say the first five vaulters all miss the opening height.  Instead of the sixth vaulter attempting, the first vaulter gets another crack.  The sixth vaulter will vault at the normal place in the order, but not until at least one

t-and-f: Bubka's pole vault comments

2001-05-31 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Bubka made some comments about how the pole vault needs to speed up. He is more in favor of raising the bar more quickly rather than the IAAF proposal of only 2 jumps at a height. The article is at: http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sa/news/reuters/20010531/reu-bubka.html I'm a huge Bubka fan, but I

Re: t-and-f: Official idiocy

2001-05-31 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
As has been discussed on this list before, there are quite a few high school associations that take a dictatorial approach to governing track and field.  While I personally have not heard about an example quite as egregious as the one Ed Grant cited - rounding hand times up to the next highe

Re: t-and-f: a Webbism

2001-05-29 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> However, a sub-3:58.3 mile time at Raleigh or any other fully-prep race would > give Webb the fastest ever prep-only mile record, but it won't be considered > by the Federation. A sub 3:58.3 mile time at his state meet would at least remove most of the one question mark that was debated several

Re: t-and-f: Webb #19 all-time US

2001-05-29 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Looking at the list, I saw two names that I don't recall hearing before - my youth is showing, I suspect. What were the careers of these two guys like? > 10. Richie Harris 3:51.39 > 15. Tony Waldrop 3:53.2 - Ed Parrot

Re: t-and-f: The Courts are at it again....

2001-05-29 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> There is no doubt that allowing Martin to use a cart would > not fundamentally alter the nature of petitioner's > tournaments, given the District Court' s uncontested > finding that Martin endures greater fatigue with a cart > than his able-bodied competitors do by walking. While the specifics

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb...

2001-05-29 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Aside from the time and energy spent studying, going to class, etc, which would be a problem for some runners and not a problem for others, there are two main problems with very talented runners at any distance proceeding from high school to college competition: 1.Coaching. There are plenty of m

Re: RE: t-and-f: Alan Webb

2001-05-29 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> However, in HS you have zero chances of running a 1500m on a regular basis > (Unless you live in Oregon or Connecticut [I think]). > Or unless you go to prep school. I actually only ran the mile once bfeore I graduated from high school - at a summer all-comer's meet. - Ed Parrot

Re: t-and-f: my Pre Classic comments

2001-05-27 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> However, let's not proclaim that US distance running is back or that he is the next great anything. Distance running has >improved greatly since 1964 and he still has a long way to go to be a contender. {Morcelli is # 20 on the > all-time junior list with a 3:37+) Hmm, so Webb runs approxima

Re: Re: t-and-f: Bengt Saltin (and others) on muscle fiber type

2001-05-25 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> When you are on top (World/Olympic medalists) you need it > all: genetics, training, luck, etc. But to win a few good races: Boston, > Falmouth, European Track, etc I think you can get by without a serious > genetic gift. It's only when you are racing THE VERY BEST that you lose out, > because t

Re: t-and-f: Bengt Saltin (and others) on muscle fiber type

2001-05-21 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> There are 3 different types of heavy chains or isoforms: I, IIa, and IIx. The type I isoform is referred > to as a slow fiber and the IIa and IIx isoforms are called fast fibers. > >it seems that through a weight training regiment, some fast IIx fibers are converted to IIa fibers. > Oddly enough

Re: t-and-f: Howard and Clark

2001-05-18 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
I have wondered exactly how the IAAF/USATF deals with the "off-season" issue, or for that matter how they deal with someone who says, "I need to take something for medical reasons - how long do I have to not compete after taking it?".   Does the off-season issue have to do with when/how ofte

Re: t-and-f: Amazing

2001-05-18 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Wow, it sounds like the HS distance runners aren't the only ones putting up some marks.  I know they've always had some fast guys in Texas.  How unusual is it for the Texas state meet to see 3 times of 21.00 or faster?   - Ed Parrot      

Re: t-and-f: 52 foot long jump

2001-05-17 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
My knowledge of this is limited to a biomechanics class I took at Springfield College. They used this as an example in discussing the mechanics of the long and high jump. I remember seeing that some contemporary (1970's?) jumpers had attempted to duplicate it and were getting into the mid 40 foo

Re: t-and-f: Amazing

2001-05-17 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Catch me up -       Who are the two excellent HS 200m sprinters and where did theyr un their times?   - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: Conway Hill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: t-and-f: Amazing This past weekend in tr

Re: t-and-f: Howard and Clark

2001-05-17 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> What is the point of prohibiting an asthmatic from using vasodilators? It > gives him no advantage over a healthy competitor, it merely evens the > playing field somewhat. Regardless of whether you believe dispensations can be granted, I fail to see how you can make the above conclusion. A va

Re: t-and-f: Howard and Clark

2001-05-17 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
> I personally know two athletes with asthma. They take medication containing > substances on the doping lists on a daily basis, and have to be very > meticulous about getting dispensation before races with testing. Even so, > they continually face an uphill struggle: to stay on the right side of

t-and-f: stimulants

2001-05-16 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
Regarding stimulants, it seems like, for once, the IAAF has taken a pretty reasonable stance. As some may know, in the 19th century 6-day races were an immensely popular spectator sport. The races were run on indoor tracks and places like Madison Square Garden were filled night and day. The bet

t-and-f: Pre Classic

2001-05-15 Thread Ed &amp; Dana Parrot
We know the Pre Classic mile is going to be spectacular. What do the men's and women's sprints and the women's mile look like? I seem to recall that usually there is a top 400m runner or two. Any predictions? - Ed Parrot

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