Re: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-30 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Ed wrote: "Maybe Entine is right ... we have no chance, and should just give up before > >we fall further behind. We have no chance of ever getting a 16 year old to > >go 8:19 or even a 19 year old to go 7:58. Yep, and no chance of ever getting someone to run 3:53, either. Never say never, just

Re: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread P.F.Talbot
On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Kebba Tolbert wrote: > I understand what you mean, but to me our goal should be to get athletes to > 7:58 or faster at any age. who cares if they're 19, 21, 23, or 25? Again, no > one balks when 20-23 yr olds run 44-low, 20.1-20.2, 10.10 or faster. the > focus should be on get

Re: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread Michael Contopoulos
y and medals at the Olympics and WCs, are we going to look back at his career as a failure because he was on his way down at age 25 or 26? No! Or at least I won't. M >From: "Kebba Tolbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Kebba Tolbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread Kebba Tolbert
>From: "Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >year olds to go 7:58 .. But that doesn't mean we give up nor that the >"fight" has been lost .. Our goal it would seem would be to get 25 year >olds >to 8:10 and then 28/29 year olds to 7:58 .. Not that would be more

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread Michael Contopoulos
good. Today I am 19" If you ask him the next day he may say something like this: "My body is getting old, today I am 35" These were not made up. Mike >From: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread Conway
Brian wrote: > MAN THOSE KENYANS ARE GOOD! It is no wonder Cherono could crack 8:00-flat > when he was already at 8:19 at just 16 years old. > > Most North Americans couldn't steeple a 9:40 at 16 years old. > > Maybe Entine is right ... we have no chance, and should just give up before > we fa

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
<<< This is all well and good, but makes me wonder how the Kenyans and Ethiops can dominate the Senior ranks without first having good Juniors. What magical process do they undergo after they leave their teen years that turns them into ass-kicking machines?>>> OF COURSE they have good juniors (a

Re: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
>Maybe Entine is right ... we have no chance, and should just give up before > >we fall further behind. We have no chance of ever getting a 16 year old to > >go 8:19 or even a 19 year old to go 7:58. Yep, and no chance of ever getting someone to run 3:53, either. Never say never, just figure o

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Wed, 29 Aug 2001 2:44:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The same goes for most of the African who were World Junior Champions in the last >decade. They are entered in the WJChamps because they need experience at the elite >level

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
gust 29, 2001 12:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren Who's to say that these Kenyans are actually 16-19? There's a reason why Kenyans tend to drop in times when they are in their mid 20s...1. Are actually probably 30 and

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread alan tobin
Who's to say that these Kenyans are actually 16-19? There's a reason why Kenyans tend to drop in times when they are in their mid 20s...1. Are actually probably 30 and not 25, 2. After so many years of top level running, whether you start at 16 or 20 you tend to fizzle out. Check road race res

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
<< << Stephen Cherono (date of birth 15Oct82) set a world junior record in the 3000 steeple of 7:58.66 at Van Damme meet last Friday. >> Digging a little deeper, I checked the All-Time list for Juniors that I had in my file, printed off for 4/01/2000 and saw this: #1 8:07.69 Paul Kosgei

Re: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-29 Thread Hans-Erik Pettersson
o: "'t-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren > << Stephen Cherono (date of birth 15Oct82) set a world junior record in the > 3000 steeple of 7:58.66

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

2001-08-28 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
<< Stephen Cherono (date of birth 15Oct82) set a world junior record in the 3000 steeple of 7:58.66 at Van Damme meet last Friday. >> I thought Raymond Yator's 2000 "WJR" of 8:03 for the Steeple would last a long, long time. But, they found a "new" faster "junior" in Kenya. I believe that 3.38