There is more to cross country than a long race on bumpy ground!
John
UHH . . . NO THERE ISN'T!!! THAT'S WHAT CROSS COUNTRY IS BY
DEFINITION, LONG RACES OVER CHALLENGING TERRAIN!! I USUALLY
DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE THIS BUT . . . YOU ARE FLAT WRONG!
PERIOD!
Dan
World Cross Country is
Dan,
I don't want to add more fuel to the fire ... what you are saying is for the
most part true, and this whole discussion is really a matter of perspective
and opinion. But, even the most elite milers run a lot of aerobic endurance
type workouts.
In the "off-season" (when he ought to be
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Subject: RE: Re: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:49:27 -0800
There is more to cross country than a long race on bumpy ground!
John
UHH . . . NO THERE ISN'T!!! THAT'S WHAT
why not run worlds at SUNY Cortland? i hear they have a strem running through the
course that the runners have to go through!
My experience with HS kids is that everyone wants fast times, so flat, short
courses are preferred.
I directed the state championship meet for South Carolina independent
schools this season. The course was a full 5k, it was hilly and the surface
was uneven and had some loose sand. The main
e 12k race.
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country
Except that the world of specialization has grown in the last
couple of decades.
At the
--- "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Over history, there have been many, many steeplers who ran high level
12k races in the winter.
[snip]
but the steeplers and 5k runners should be in the 12k race.
Have you looked over this weekend's results and the disproportionate
number of
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Subject: RE: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country
--- "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Over history, there have been many, many steeplers who ran high level
12k races in the winter.
[snip]
but the steeplers and 5k runners should be in the 12k race.
Hav
--- "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which is tougher (or a bigger "adjustment to training" as was posted); a
1500/5000m runner or Steepler adjusting "up" to the 12k distance ... OR
A MARATHONER adjusting "down" ?
I think moving up is tougher for most people, especially when it's
In a message dated 2/19/01 1:51:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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think moving up is tougher for most people, especially when it's 4-8x
the distance. Moving down significantly in distance may make the speed
seem harsh, but at least you can run the whole thing at a
In a message dated Mon, 19 Feb 2001 1:06:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Mcewen, Brian
T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The idea has always been to have a World Championship of XC ... and a race to suit
all the XC runners ... where one best one could be crowned.
I guess it is fair to say that (as
Dan wrote:
I think moving up is tougher for most people, especially when it's 4-8x
the distance. Moving down significantly in distance may make the speed
seem harsh, but at least you can run the whole thing at a steady clip.
Also, I would venture to guess that the training of many 12k and
Ditch the 4k.
The appeal of the World XC Champs is the bringing together of the world's
best distance runner's over one race. Everyone from 800m runners to
marathoners battling it out. Who is the current men's world xc champ? It's
Mohammed Mourhit not whoever won last year's 4k.
Steve S.
Except that the world of specialization has grown in the last
couple of decades.
At the top level (not at collegiate where you do whatever your
coach tells you, for team points), if all they have is a 12K
race, everybody from Steeple specialists and shorter (middle
distance) simply won't run.
That's the problem. Everybody thinks that they're so special. A true distance runner
enters the real race (12K) because they want to see what they can do against the best
runners in the world. Remember Steve Jones, he said he'll run any distance because
he's just a runner, not a marathoner.
ABOLISH THE 4K CROSS COUNTRY!!!
That is my request. The experiment has been a failure. I would guess that the IAAF's
idea was to bring in the mile stars, such as Morceli and El Guerrouj, to the harrier
season. It hasn't worked. I also suspect they were hoping it would break Kenya's
I'm in full agreement. Cross country - one race, one champion. Beautiful simplicity.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ABOLISH THE 4K CROSS COUNTRY!!!
That is my request. The experiment has been a failure. I would guess that the IAAF's
idea was to bring in the mile stars, such as Morceli and El
12k = varsity
4k = junior varsity
ABOLISH THE 4K CROSS COUNTRY!!!
That is my request. The experiment has been a failure. I would
guess that the IAAF's idea was to bring in the mile stars, such
as Morceli and El Guerrouj, to the harrier season. It hasn't
worked. I also suspect they were hoping
ABOLISH THE 4K CROSS COUNTRY!!!
That is my request. The experiment has been a failure. I would guess that
the IAAF's idea was to bring in the mile stars, such as Morceli and El
Guerrouj, to the harrier season. It hasn't worked. I also suspect they were
hoping it would break Kenya's
I agree 100%.
The World Cross Country Championships was always unique because you had marathoners to
milers racing together, that was the idea.
Having two races defeats the purpose. I still consider the 12K to be the Championship
and the 4K the kids race.
If you can't run with the big boys,
Bob,
COOL!
While you are down sizing cross country, why not do the same to track.
Only 1 weight event. Heck they all spin now, so as long as they spin and have a weight
they must be the same. Let's not water down the events.
Same with the horizontal jumps. If you can jump once,you can jump 3
Personally, I love the 4k. But I do understand your wish to see everybody
duke it out in one race. Honestly, in the u.S. anyway, I think most of the
athletes do the 12k if they want to be in the more competitive race - thus I
don't see the dilution of competition you're concerned about.
As to
In a message dated 01-02-16 15:01:38 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If they can't run the mile, they shouldn't be on the track.
There is more to cross country than a long race on bumpy ground!
John
Actually there isn't much more to cross country than one long race on some
bumpy ground,
: Short/Long course cross country
Bob,
COOL!
While you are down sizing cross country, why not do the same to track.
Only 1 weight event. Heck they all spin now, so as long as they spin and
have a weight they must be the same. Let's not water down the events.
Same with the horizontal jumps
In a message dated Fri, 16 Feb 2001 3:01:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, John Lunn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bob,...
There is more to cross country than a long race on bumpy ground!
John
UHH . . . NO THERE ISN'T!!! THAT'S WHAT CROSS COUNTRY IS BY DEFINITION, LONG RACES
OVER CHALLENGING
There is more to cross country than a long race on bumpy ground!
John
UHH . . . NO THERE ISN'T!!! THAT'S WHAT CROSS COUNTRY IS BY DEFINITION,
LONG RACES OVER CHALLENGING TERRAIN!! I USUALLY DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE
THIS BUT . . . YOU ARE FLAT WRONG! PERIOD!
Dan
Actually no, a long
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