Re: [Tagging] A shop selling fish and seafood

2010-05-04 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
More I read other people arguments, more I want to support shop=seafood. I would say someone create proposal feature wiki page for it and we wote. Cheers, Peter. 2010/5/4 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net: So, we have some objection to shop=fishmonger, and more support for shop=fish and

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Roy Wallace
(note: removed talk-us) On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:39 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: ... It's a big world out there and there is bound to be grey areas that local knowledge will tags things one way or the other... There is bound to be grey areas only if we continue to use these

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 May 2010 18:14, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: 1) allow for the specification of more than one type simultaneously, e.g. amenity=A;B, amenity=B;C, etc., or 2) change/specify in more detail the definitions of A, B and C so that they *are* mutually exclusive, or 3) be forced to

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Katie Filbert
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:22 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Do you have any concrete examples? Most McDonald's restaurants have tables and sit down areas, but we tag them as fast food because that is the politically correct way to refer to junk food... The discussions have

Re: [Tagging] A shop selling fish and seafood

2010-05-04 Thread Katie Filbert
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: More I read other people arguments, more I want to support shop=seafood. I would say someone create proposal feature wiki page for it and we wote. Cheers, Peter. I would support either shop=seafood or shop=fish and

Re: [Tagging] A shop selling fish and seafood

2010-05-04 Thread Stephen Gower
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 02:08:01PM +0100, Jonathan Bennett wrote: In the UK a fish shop can be one of two, three usually mutually exclusive, things: * A fishmonger, selling wet (i.e. raw) fish and seafood * A Fish and Chip shop, selling cooked fast food * A shop selling live fish,

Re: [Tagging] A shop selling fish and seafood

2010-05-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 May 2010 01:24, Stephen Gower socks-openstreetmap@earth.li wrote: Those calling for shop=fish rather than shop=fishmonger - what would you use for the pet fish shop? How many pet shops would there be that only sell fish? I'm guessing a small minority at best, but this would be

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 May 2010 09:22, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: (Just to make life even hearder: is McCafe a cafe or fast food?) Maybe it's all three at the same time... Does it have a sit down and eat area restaurant Is the food delievered in less than 5 minutes (usually)... fast_food Is

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-05-04 12:04, Phil! Gold wrote: * Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net [2010-05-04 09:47 -0700]: I generally regard fast_food as a place where you have to walk up to a counter and order your food. Even if they do bring it out to your table when ready, they will not generally come

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 May 2010 11:15, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Would you call dunkin donuts fast food? I do, because I get more of a megacorp volume feel than a quality food feel there. I think most I think you are being a tad bias, since small corner stores in Australia sell fast food of lesser

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Greg Troxel
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com writes: On 5 May 2010 11:15, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Would you call dunkin donuts fast food? I do, because I get more of a megacorp volume feel than a quality food feel there. I think most I think you are being a tad bias, since small corner

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 May 2010 11:37, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: I'd actually prefer something like shop=donut to cafe, since it seems that Isn't cafe a French word for coffee? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/4/10 9:51 PM, John Smith wrote: On 5 May 2010 11:36, Greg Troxelg...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Fair enough. If you judge on food quality and is food presented faster than it could reasonably be preparted then I think we're in closer agreement. My point was, we shouldn't base a

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 May 2010 11:58, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: perhaps we need crap=yes To be more effective, and less subjective, you will probably need sub-tagging to define who it's crap too crap:snobby_elite=yes crap:student=no crap:homeless=no etc...

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/4/10 11:15 PM, John Smith wrote: On 5 May 2010 12:51, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: crap:mega=yes as well. That doesn't make any sense... lots and lots of crap: mega crap ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:19 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 May 2010 09:22, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: (Just to make life even hearder: is McCafe a cafe or fast food?) Maybe it's all three at the same time... Does it have a sit down and eat area

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Is there anything wrong with using: amenity=cafe;fast_food;restaurant? If not, that approach, plus those One problem would be the conversion of such a thing to GPS formats. I guess you could stack three POIs in one place,

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 May 2010 14:26, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Is there anything wrong with using: amenity=cafe;fast_food;restaurant? If not, that approach, plus those It's rarely a good idea to jam tags together into a single key like that, most applications have enough trouble with the

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: The entire reason such tagging is useful (vs. amenity=food) is that people can ask find me a nearby cafe.  When I ask that, I want a coffee shop that serves sandwiches, or a sandwich shop that serves coffee, or something like

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:32 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: It would be better to tag the primary function of a business, and add modifiers... So amenity=fast_food + cafe=yes would be roughly equivalent to amenity=cafe + fast_food=yes? Interesting proposal. It seems like a

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 May 2010 14:39, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: So amenity=fast_food + cafe=yes would be roughly equivalent to amenity=cafe + fast_food=yes? Interesting proposal. It seems like a plausible workaround for indicating a plurality of amenity=* values without resorting to a

Re: [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-04 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-05-04 21:32, John Smith wrote: ... amenity=fast_food cafe=yes/no seating/resturant=yes/no drive_through=yes/no I've been using motorcar=yes/no for drive-through, similar to access. This did require tweaking of the rendering style in JOSM, which had this tag too far up in position (and