2010/8/16 Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm:
On 15/08/2010 22:30, John Smith wrote:
I'm not sure this is the best way to do things, what do others think?
If its vacant, then its not a shop, so shouldn't be tagged as such.
IMHO a shop is a shop because it is officially commercial space (and
2010/8/16 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
Perhaps building=disused (not shop because it's not a shop when it's
empty, and disused by analogy with railroads)?
-1, because the shop is usually a small fraction of the building, and
especially for vacant shops I wouldn't expect the whole
On 10/08/2010 11:54, Mike N. wrote:
There are a number of local streets being converted from 4-lane to 2
lanes + center turn + sharrows.
http://bikehugger.com/2006/12/whats-a-sharrow.html
What is the best way to tag these - they were discussed briefly in
the recent shoulder, etc thread,
Hi everybody,
as I noted in my diary, the forums,...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/!i!/diary/11477
I would like to improve the features page and other wiki pages around.
Therefore I asked at the talk page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features#Cleanup_Request
I checked
On 16/08/2010 16:31, Matthias Meißer wrote:
Hi everybody,
as I noted in my diary, the forums,...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/!i!/diary/11477
I would like to improve the features page and other wiki pages around.
Therefore I asked at the talk page
Well, this idea is not to telling you do's and dont's, it's just to
manage ideas.
IMHO the current process lacks a few details that are mentioned (and can
be discussed by everyone here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features#Cleanup_Request
As some of you might noted with
Am 16. August 2010 16:31 schrieb Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de:
I checked the current german map feature list and noticed a lot few features
and key that are new but non proposed. I beg the authors to move them out of
the list back to the proposed features.
this might not in all cases be
2010/8/16 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
As a side-effect, it also makes it explicit that bicycles are allowed.
-
As an European I am interested in this: aren't they allowed on any
non-highway/freeway/interstate unless explicitly forbidden?
cheers,
Martin
Well I'm not talking about undoing very common features but about a few
new ones that seemed to be a bad design (even if I like the idea to get
a feature e.g. for OFFICE=*). For fine tuning is the /Proposed list, right?
Yes soft moderation by the community but therefore the community needs
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:03 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/8/16 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
As a side-effect, it also makes it explicit that bicycles are allowed.
-
As an European I am interested in this: aren't they allowed on any
non-highway/freeway/interstate
Am 16. August 2010 18:09 schrieb Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de:
central space and some guidelines. You already see the lack of voters, just
cause it's to decentral communication atm.
RFC and voting start are announced on talk-list and often on some
local lists as well. I fear that the lack
2010/8/17 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de:
opinion. Thats why nobody knows that there are new features, nobody talked
about it, nobody made a review :(
But they do get talked about, take for example this thread where
someone added a shop that no one seems to agree with:
But OSM is more than just the major lists (see people like me that sign
on/off lists to avoid to much mails). As I said it would be a good idea
to feature our proposal incubator a little bit more ;) I'm pretty sure
if the users have no Push but a Pop media (e.g. the weekly newsletters)
they
2010/8/17 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de:
But OSM is more than just the major lists (see people like me that sign
on/off lists to avoid to much mails). As I said it would be a good idea to
feature our proposal incubator a little bit more ;) I'm pretty sure if the
users have no Push but a Pop
2010/8/16 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/power_type
Basically I have deprecated power_type=photovoltaic and
power_type=solar-thermal, which combine two bits of information (source of
energy, and type of energy generated). This also allows
Proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dancing_school
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On 17 August 2010 05:15, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote:
Proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dancing_school
I'm wondering if a sub-tag would be more useful, eg
amenity=school
school=dance
That way you could group other similar schools, like martial arts,
using
Well ok might be possbile but for that reason there are other channels
e.g. forums, MLs that have their own pros and cons.
So nobody really has a problem with refactoring /Proposed, right? If so
it would be nice if you review the upcoming changes. But this will take
time cause I'm involved in
2010/8/16 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net:
Basically I have deprecated power_type=photovoltaic and
power_type=solar-thermal, which combine two bits of information (source of
energy, and type of energy generated). This also allows for adequate tagging
of generators that produce more than one type
2010/8/17 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de:
Well ok might be possbile but for that reason there are other channels e.g.
forums, MLs that have their own pros and cons.
There is software that can show mailing list posts in the same way as
forums, the forums are only used by a minority of people,
On Monday 16 August 2010 22:07:07 Matthias Meißer wrote:
So nobody really has a problem with refactoring /Proposed, right?
Yes, many people will have a problem with that. The people actually voting on
the wiki are a very small group. Pushing tags already documented and in use
back into the
Sry @all, was my mistake, what I tried to say is that I will improve the
/proposed page (and only this one). So restyling, splitting text but
nothing on the features itself, is this ok?
Yes you can read MLs in a forum or RSS like way, but mostly you have to
be member of the mailinglist to
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:03 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/8/16 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
As a side-effect, it also makes it explicit that bicycles are allowed.
-
As an European I am interested in this: aren't they allowed on any
non-highway/freeway/interstate
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:27:30 -0400, Anthony wrote:
But it's not effectively the same thing. If it were, sharrows wouldn't
have ever been invented.
Not true, the old-style BIKE ROUTE signs no longer appear in the
current MUTCD (thus are being phased out nationwide). Sharrows and
bicycle
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:01:09 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote:
He wasn’t saying that bicycle=designated is always a sharrow, but that a
sharrow is effectively the same thing as a sign saying “bike route”.
They’re both ways of marking something as a designated route for
bicycles.
I don't agree with
Hi everybody,
as I noted in my diary, the forums,...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/!i!/diary/11477
I would like to improve the features page and other wiki pages around.
Therefore I asked at the talk page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features#Cleanup_Request
I
On 17 August 2010 07:41, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:
amenity=school
school=middle
I know I brought up middle schools, but are they deemed a type of
secondary school?
The reason I ask, it might be more useful to tag which grades, for
example in Australia there are central
2010/8/16 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
school=truck_driving
school=driving
driving:type=[car|truck|bike]
what about school=dolphins for a school of dolphins? Or hospital=tree
nursery? IMHO we shouldn't create our categories/keys only based on
language which might sometimes be
On 17 August 2010 07:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
-1, IMHO no. A dancing school, boxing school, ski school, etc. are
IMHO not in the same category than general-education schools. They
might be classified in one category, but that is IMHO not school.
That's what the sub
On 17 August 2010 08:03, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
what about school=dolphins for a school of dolphins? Or hospital=tree
nursery? IMHO we shouldn't create our categories/keys only based on
language which might sometimes be ambiguous or misleading.
So far you seem to be
On 8/16/10 6:06 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 17 August 2010 08:03, M∡rtin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
what about school=dolphins for a school of dolphins? Or hospital=tree
nursery? IMHO we shouldn't create our categories/keys only based on
language which might sometimes be ambiguous
Am 17.08.2010 00:31, schrieb John Smith:
On 17 August 2010 08:24, Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote:
What is the benefit to put this all under amenity=school - and then have a
tag no renderer actually can use, because it is far too generic?
The benefit is an existing tag that isn't
2010/8/17 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
On 17 August 2010 08:24, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote:
What is the benefit to put this all under amenity=school - and then have a
tag no renderer actually can use, because it is far too generic?
The benefit is an existing tag
On 17 August 2010 08:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
it doesn't change the good point Ulf made: a potential data consumer
would have to know all school types for a pleasant results. Currently
That's actually a reason to sub-tag, so they can show a generic icon
instead of
2010/8/17 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
On 17 August 2010 08:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
it doesn't change the good point Ulf made: a potential data consumer
would have to know all school types for a pleasant results. Currently
That's actually a reason to
On 8/16/10 7:23 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 17 August 2010 09:20, M∡rtin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
The point was (maybe my message was too long to get this clear) that
the same generic icon for schools which do general education in the
morning and maybe afternoon to kids AND the
On 17 August 2010 09:29, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:
amenity=special_school
or something on that order, and then subtag with school=
i don't object to splitting that way, but there's no good reason
to further pollute amenity when we can subtag with school=
Do we even need an
On 17.08.10 01:29, Richard Welty wrote:
amenity=special_school
or something on that order, and then subtag with school=
I can't see any benefit subsuming those ...schools that are no schools under
one tag. They all need special icons, there is no generic icon for these.
One more thing, a
On 8/16/10 8:39 PM, Andreas Labres wrote:
On 17.08.10 01:29, Richard Welty wrote:
amenity=special_school
or something on that order, and then subtag with school=
I can't see any benefit subsuming those ...schools that are no schools under
one tag. They all need special icons, there is no
On 17.08.10 02:46, Richard Welty wrote:
there are dancing schools and there are dancing schools
Well, maybe we need a subtag... ;)
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:30:26 -0700
Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
How would one tag a turn restriction (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turn_restrictions) which is active say
6-9AM and 3-6PM every day? hour_on/hour_off seem to only be sufficient for
one time
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Michael Barabanov
michael.baraba...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
How would one tag a turn restriction
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turn_restrictions) which is active say
6-9AM and 3-6PM every day? hour_on/hour_off seem to only be sufficient for
one time
On 17/08/2010 01:43, Richard Welty wrote:
i don't see an obvious tag in the system.
i'm not talking about shop=farm, where the shop is
physically located at the farm, but about places where
one or more producers come together to sell. some are
intermittant (and would need schedule tags), but
On 8/16/10 9:56 PM, Craig Wallace wrote:
On 17/08/2010 01:43, Richard Welty wrote:
i don't see an obvious tag in the system.
i'm not talking about shop=farm, where the shop is
physically located at the farm, but about places where
one or more producers come together to sell. some are
Thanks. BTW, tagwatch does have those:
http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Planet/En/keystats_hour_on.html
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:30:26 -0700
Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
How would one tag a
On 17/08/2010 03:09, Richard Welty wrote:
ok, but how about a physical building named Ryan's Farmers Market
where i presume
(i haven't been inside, i just saw it for the first time today) the
produce is from local
farmers, but it's a conventional brick-and-mortar store with normal
hours.
On 17 August 2010 12:18, Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com wrote:
Seems like double work to me. Ross's suggestion may just work. If there're
no objections, I'll update the wiki.
That would probably be fine for every day of the week, and yes I
noticed day_on/off, but that seems to
I agree. But I'm not in the mood to start a voting process on changing
hour_on to access:time.
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:58 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
On 17 August 2010 12:18, Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com
wrote:
Seems like double work to me. Ross's
On 17 August 2010 13:14, Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree. But I'm not in the mood to start a voting process on changing
hour_on to access:time.
We keep getting told this is a do-ocracy, so if you find something
more useful, just do it? :)
First, what's the US standard for incorporated places? Should the
actual form of government (town/city/etc) be used?
More importantly, how are unincorporated places handled?
With respect to boundaries, census-designated places are not really
suited for our use. Sometimes it's easy to define a
You should check out the 50,000 other threads on place=*, it varies
too much from country to country and even regions within countries
based on what people expect to see on maps, there doesn't seem to be
any objective methods to do this that would be consistent within
countries, let alone the
I will, once I see a restriction that doesn't fit:)
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:29 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
On 17 August 2010 13:14, Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com
wrote:
I agree. But I'm not in the mood to start a voting process on changing
hour_on to
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