Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Erik Johansson
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:28 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: As the creator of the proposal I do not like your proposed key/value entrance=public_transport. The tag should show the importance of an

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread André Riedel
2011/10/14 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit  about what you mean. You can tag the entrance of a train or subway station as entrance=yes/main BUT only together with a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/14/2011 01:00 PM, André Riedel wrote: If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit about what you mean. You can tag the entrance of a train or subway station as entrance=yes/main BUT only together with a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely.  I think it would be good, wherever possible, to stick to the idea of the value of a tag subclassing the key, so that building=*

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be able to tag their entrances? That seems logical to me. Is there some problem with doing this, that I haven't seen? I know that it would be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/14/2011 01:18 PM, John Sturdy wrote: Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be able to tag their entrances? That seems logical to me. Is there some problem with doing this, that I haven't seen? Sorry, I forgot that a subway station does not always

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 10/14/2011 7:35 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Tagging an above-ground subway station as a building is common practice. For underground buildings, things are more difficult; we don't have an established way of recording the fact that they are below the surface. layer=-1 doesn't cut it as it is only

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 10/14/2011 01:18 PM, John Sturdy wrote: Are you recommending to tag subway stations as buildings in order to be able to tag their entrances? That seems logical to me.  Is there some problem with doing this,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John F. Eldredge
André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/14 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit  about what you mean. You can tag the entrance of a train or subway station

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: In the case of a subway station, this will mean that the station's area will need to underlay other mapped objects, and the mapper will need to map the access tunnels as well as the station proper. Burrr!

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/14 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: If can't even tag *entrances* to a subway with this tag I see little use for it. Could either of you perhaps expand a bit  about what you mean. You can tag the entrance of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: What about covered=yes? or underground=yes which could be a simple filter for all of us who don't want to be disturbed by underground features during edition. Pieren

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: What about covered=yes? or underground=yes which could be a simple filter for all of us who don't want to be disturbed by underground features

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/10/14 John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: What about covered=yes? or underground=yes which could be a simple filter for all of us who don't

[Tagging] Key location (was Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*)

2011-10-14 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Well, we already have location=underground established (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location) and I think it would be a pity to have more than one way of indicating that something is underground.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 10/14/2011 9:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The established way is covered, at least it has a definition in the wiki and dates back to 2009 + it is used more often (covered, usage: C. denote an area such as an underground parking lot, a covered reservoir/cistern or even such things as an

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/10/14 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 10/14/2011 9:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Covered doesn't mean something is underground, just that it has a roof on top. For example a road passing through a building at ground level would be covered=yes. covered doesn't necessarily

Re: [Tagging] Key location (was Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*)

2011-10-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/10/14 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Well, we already have location=underground established (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location) and I think it would be a pity to have more than one way of

Re: [Tagging] Key location (was Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*)

2011-10-14 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
'established' is a big word. I'm surprised by the taginfo stats. I never used this tag myself and I don't remember if it was really discussed in the international lists. It is in the wiki since July. Taginfo won't show the combinations at the moment, but location=* is, afaik, used on ways with

Re: [Tagging] Key location

2011-10-14 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
Left out a significant word by mistake: is, afaik, *mostly* used on ways with man_made=pipeline and nodes The fire hydrant page now suggests fire_hydrant:type=underground/wall etc., but many old mappers try to avoid type=* as a key - or as a part of a key. -- Alv

Re: [Tagging] Key location (was Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*)

2011-10-14 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/14 Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi: Taginfo won't show the combinations at the moment, but location=* is, afaik, used on ways with man_made=pipeline and nodes tagged amenity/emergency=fire_hydrant. Yes but the