[Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread John Sturdy
I recently found that a way I'd marked as a minor power line (from Bing) is actually a telephone line (from survey), which we seem to have a convention of not mapping. Should I just delete it, or tag it just so that no-one else seeing it on Bing will map it as a power line in the future? More

[Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals

2013-08-27 Thread Pieren
Hi all, If you did not notice, the OSM routing fans [1] are just pushing the sub-tag traffic_signals:direction in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traffic_signals http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_signals:direction This is trying to fix one old issue in OSM. The tag

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
More generally, should we tag things that we don't normally map, that There's no such existing thing as we don't normally map. People map what is of interest to them. Just use a tag that doesn't already mean something different. FWIW, I've used aerial_line=telephone for such telephone lines on

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi wrote: People map what is of interest to them. Just use a tag that doesn't already mean something different. Threre is also people who doesn't want mapbesity or overload of details when they want to edit the map like

Re: [Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals

2013-08-27 Thread fly
Thanks for this report, Pieren. This should go into a proposal first. Forward/Backward do not work on nodes ! You need a relation or use ways. Stop using forward/backward on nodes but use an relation similar to turn-restrictions for traffic_signals and enforcement. cu fly On 27.08.2013 16:02,

Re: [Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals

2013-08-27 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:31 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: This should go into a proposal first. I'll waste my time on a wiki proposal if I see major concerns here. In the other case, the wiki will follow. Forward/Backward do not work on nodes ! Of course it works and applies in

Re: [Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals

2013-08-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Seems like this would be better done as a relation. Also, still seems this has yet to be resolved for anything other than a 4-way stop, and to a lesser extent (due to the nature of being usually placed on ramps, or in neighborhoods as an all-way control) give_way (though still unresolved for

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread fly
On 27.08.2013 16:19, Pieren wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi wrote: People map what is of interest to them. Just use a tag that doesn't already mean something different. Threre is also people who doesn't want mapbesity or overload of details

Re: [Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals

2013-08-27 Thread fly
On 27.08.2013 16:40, Pieren wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:31 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: This should go into a proposal first. I'll waste my time on a wiki proposal if I see major concerns here. In the other case, the wiki will follow. Forward/Backward do not work on

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi wrote: People map what is of interest to them. Just use a tag that doesn't already mean something different. Threre is also people who doesn't want

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread François Lacombe
2013/8/27 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com We have already trouble with the power line system which gets reconstructed at the moment but a similar system for telephone can work. Please try to avoid mistakes like tagging the poles not man_made=pole but under the telephone namespace. cu For

Re: [Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals

2013-08-27 Thread Peter Wendorff
It's more reliable to guess the direction by nearest-distance-to-next-intersection than to rely on any mappers to keep that up to date, especially with iD making it extremly easy (which is good) to change a ways direction. nodes should NOT depend on the direction of any way they belong to.

Re: [Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals

2013-08-27 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: It's more reliable to guess the direction by nearest-distance-to-next-intersection than to rely on any mappers to keep that up to date, especially with iD making it extremly easy (which is good) to change a ways

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=events

2013-08-27 Thread Antônio Marcos
Greetings, I've proposed on the OpenStreetMap wiki the creation of a new tag called landuse=events, as you can see here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Devents, and I am requesting for comments on it. Its value denotes a place (land) used for temporary events, e.g.

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-27 Thread Volker Schmidt
I am particularly interested in tagging cycling routes, including the national long-distance cycling network Bicitalia in Italy. In Italy cycle paths are frequently de facto blocked by chicane-type bicycle barriers. So my tagging is typically a node with barrier=cycle_barrier foot=yes

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-27 Thread Paul Johnson
maxlength and maxwidth for what will fit through the chicane. On Aug 27, 2013 1:38 PM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: I am particularly interested in tagging cycling routes, including the national long-distance cycling network Bicitalia in Italy. In Italy cycle paths are frequently

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 27/ago/2013, alle ore 20:36, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto: Should I simply systematically use bicycle:trailer=no and hope that others follow? Or formulate a proposal and ask for votes? Any other ideas? I'd do both, but more for documentation, you don't have to

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-27 Thread Henning Scholland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It's hard to set a value for them because they are depending on each other. ;) Henning Am 27.08.2013 21:52, schrieb Paul Johnson: maxlength and maxwidth for what will fit through the chicane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20

Re: [Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals

2013-08-27 Thread Vincent de Château-Thierry
Hi, Le 27/08/2013 16:31, fly a écrit : Stop using forward/backward on nodes but use an relation similar to turn-restrictions for traffic_signals and enforcement. I agree, turn-restriction scheme is quite similar and could be a good start at least for single traffic light mapping. From, via

Re: [Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals

2013-08-27 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Vincent de Château-Thierry v...@laposte.net wrote: This only deals with single traffic light mapping and will not solve the low scale rendering issues (how to put a single icon for multiple traffic lights) and the routing through multiple synchronised traffic

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-27 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, I'm still puzzled about the right value to introduce (or to use as it exists)... Additionnaly to power=tower/pole, 2 main solutions sound good to me : 1 - Introduce brand new values man_made=power_tower/power_pole and start using them without any tower:type=* subcategories. + New tags, not

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-27 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: Taginfo shows 8 uses of bicycle:trailer - this is certainly not a widespread use. Should I simply systematically use bicycle:trailer=no and hope that others follow? Or formulate a proposal and ask for votes? Any other

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-27 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
It's hard to set a value for them because they are depending on each other. ;) I mean tag the facility geometry, not the size of trailer that is judged to fit. bicycle:trailer=no might lead to bicycle:tandem=no, and a lot of really fuzzy tags of limited predictive value. You can also tag some

Re: [Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals

2013-08-27 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 27.08.2013 16:02, Pieren wrote: My proposal: - when micro-mapping the traffic lights, use a different tag than highway=traffic_signals which should be reserved for the simple, old fashion way of mapping the intersection itself. - create a new tag for the micro-mapping of each individual

Re: [Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals

2013-08-27 Thread James Mast
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:35:45 +0200 From: pier...@gmail.com To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Micro mapping traffic signals On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Vincent de Château-Thierry v...@laposte.net wrote: This only deals with single traffic light mapping and

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread James Mast
But what if the pole has both telephone and power on it? ;) That's what's common here in my neighborhood. I can look out my front door and see a pole with both of them using it. -James Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:05:38 +0200 From: francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu To:

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Yes, I'm specifically avoiding suggesting that we routinely map telephone lines (they are very common in some places, and probably rather hard to map consistently from aerials, compared with power lines). In this area it would be far easier to tag the three or four roads that don't have power

Re: [Tagging] bicycle barriers open issue: bicycle trailors

2013-08-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
One can tag the maximum width that can fit through, given zero length, and can tag the maximum length that can fit through, given zero width, but a trailer that has BOTH the maximum length and maximum width will not fit through. You can't readily predict in advance whether a real-life trailer

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:35 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: But what if the pole has both telephone and power on it? ;) That's what's common here in my neighborhood. I can look out my front door and see a pole with both of them using it. And of course cable tv and fiber are