Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-15 Thread Pee Wee
2013/11/14 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2013/11/14 Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com For the access tags (and we do discuss access tags here), it is common practice to have country-specific defaults on certain highway types as listed in the wiki [1] and only tag what

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013, Masi Master wrote: Hi all, I'm the co-author of this proposal. There are a difference about bicycle-forbidden and a compulsory cycleway. In Germany it is allowed to leave the cycleway for a leftturn, if you choose the normal leftturn-lane (which cars use). Or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/15 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org Then you really want bicycle=destination and this whole use_cycleway crud is redundant if you've mapped the cycleway correctly. I see no compelling argument to change the world when access=destination already exists for exactly this situation.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday, November 15, 2013, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: If you go back in this thread you'll see that destination is only one of several possibilities for making the cycleway not compulsory any more to the cyclist. I think there is a misconception regarding changing the world, this is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/15 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org I do live someplace where this is relevant, and I'm still not seeing how the difference between the proposal and bicycle=destination isn't so subtle as to render the distinction irrelevant. because of the insuitable conditions of the cycleway

Re: [Tagging] country specific scheme - was: Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-15 Thread Masi Master
Am 15.11.2013, 16:45 Uhr, schrieb Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com: 2013/11/14 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2013/11/14 Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com For the access tags (and we do discuss access tags here), it is common practice to have country-specific defaults on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-15 Thread Masi Master
Am 15.11.2013, 17:13 Uhr, schrieb Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Tuesday, November 12, 2013, Masi Master wrote: Hi all, I'm the co-author of this proposal. There are a difference about bicycle-forbidden and a compulsory cycleway. In Germany it is allowed to leave the cycleway for a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday, November 15, 2013, Masi Master wrote: Am 15.11.2013, 17:13 Uhr, schrieb Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Tuesday, November 12, 2013, Masi Master wrote: Hi all, I'm the co-author of this proposal. There are a difference about bicycle-forbidden and a compulsory cycleway.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-15 Thread Pee Wee
The proposed tag is also for odd vehicles. In NL and DE some bicycles with certain measurments may use the adjacent road. Not just for destination purposes. So I'm afraid a bicycle=destination will not work. 2013/11/16 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org On Friday, November 15, 2013, Masi